RE: Any Vegetarians/Vegans here?
February 12, 2014 at 12:35 pm
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2014 at 12:36 pm by James2014.)
(February 12, 2014 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote: You guys contradict yourself.
Most of you believe in evolution but evolution take his time to make changes.
To turn a carnivore into omnivore and a omnivore into a veg. it may take some million of years.
Now considering that ominids and humans have all the charaterisics of veg. then we can come to the conclusion that we have been veg for at least a million of years.
The evidence is there.
1) Ominids skulls and teeth have all the characteristics of veg. eaters.
2) Man does not salivate at the sight of raw meat.
3) The human digestive system can not deal with meat.
There are other reason but these would be non physical reason so i avoid to talk about them.
All in all there are enough reasons to say that since man is man his characteristics are totally vegetarian.
Some points i would like to clear.
1) Somebody say that our digestive system can deal with meat.
I can tell you that a car that suppose to use petrol or gasoline can even go with Kerosene but after some time it will clog up and wear faster.
2) Somebody ask for evidence that meat is loaded with saturated fats, bad cholesterol and toxins and all this cause cardiovascular diseases, type 2 diabets and other diseases.
It doesn't really need to study medicine like a doctor to know all this.
This is the simple knowledge that even a non doctor suppose to know.
If you don't know just click ......meat saturated fats cholesterol ......in your search engine and you will find hundreds of evidence.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content...2108.short
3) Even Charles Darwin that believe in evolution stated that early humans were fruit and veg. eaters and that throughout history out anatomy has not changed.
So what you do?
Do you believe in evolution or you pretend to?
Make up your mind guys.
We are most certainly omnivores, because we can and do obtain nutrients from meat. Your point about it not being the perfect diet for health is irrelevant to the question of whether we are omnivores or not. Evolution does not work on the basis of what is best for long term health, all it selects for is ability to pass on genes to offspring. What happens after reproduction age therefore largely irrelevant.
You mentioned chimpanzees only eating meat when circumstances force them too. Now lets just forget about the fact that chimpanzees love ants and grubs etc, even if what you say is true that they only eat meat when required, this would mean there would be selection pressure on the animals to be able to obtain nutrients from meat, as those that could not would be more likely to starve when resources were limited. To a herbivore however, like a cow, it would simply not occur to the animal to eat meat. We are not herbivores, we are omnivores.
Now when it comes to very early hominids, yes there is some evidence that their primary diet consisted of fruit and nuts, and it is very much debated how much if any meat they they ate. Very early hominids however had much larger teeth compared to us, adapting them to a more plant based diet.
Your comparison of human teeth to carnivore's is just silly, no one is saying humans are carnivores. Big carnivores need big teeth if they are to use them to kill large mammals. However, there are many small mammals that we would be able to eat with our teeth, just indeed like chimps do. The difference though between us and chimps is our use of tools. There is evidence 2 million years ago that hominids were butchering and eating animals. We have small teeth, and a relatively short intestine. We are evolved to be omnivores.

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(a) 1.5 million-year-old fossil antelope lower leg bone (metapodial)
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cutmarks.