RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
February 13, 2014 at 12:25 pm
(This post was last modified: February 13, 2014 at 12:26 pm by Sword of Christ.)
(February 13, 2014 at 10:41 am)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: Hey Sword, I know you're busy talking to the Hell-bound but I'm feeling left out of this conversation.
It's not for me say who is and isn't going to Hell but no-one particularly has to that's entirely optional if you're determined to reject God. If you still follow the moral values Christ taught to some degree you likely haven't really rejected God you're just a bit confused.
Quote:We were discussing the Bible on slavery. I offered you multiple examples of chapter-and-verse where both the OT and the NT endorse the practice and even a quote where Jesus gives the nod to beating slaves. I asked you for chapter-and-verse where I could find anything to support your assertion that it was Christianity that led to the abolition of slavery.
Christian values lead to the abolition of the slave trade and you yourself have Christian values if you believe slavery is wrong. What matters is the fruits of the overall message not the what passage says what about what. It was written by real people in history and slavery was perfectly normal for all cultures back then.
Quote:We were discussing the Bible on democracy, equality and rights. I provided chapter-and-verse where the Bible endorses the divine right of kings and the subjugation of women.
That's what they believed at the time but Jesus taught something radically different and that is the basis of Western civilization today. In any case I think it's only the Kings of Israel that were meant to be divinely appointed though they're all gone now.
Quote: Even Jesus has his moment where he endorses racism (the "Canaanite Dogs" story).
The parable of the Good Samaritan doesn't support racism seeing as the Samaritans were the hated minority at the time. Perhaps he was testing her resolve or interested to see what she would say or something.
Quote:I asked you to provide chapter-and-verse where I could see support for your assertion that Christianity promotes freedom and equality.
I'm not going to post entire New Testament but even the Old Testament supports this to some degree. You can read it yourself.
Quote:And then there's your whole touchy-feeley-New-Agey thinking on the morality of Jesus being in every one of us, including the unsaved. I was curious about your alternate Christianity, and I think this is a reasonable question:
It's not alternative Christianity but traditional ancient Christianity. There are many books out there you can read about this and none of them are "New Age".
Quote:If the morality of Jesus is in all of us, what do we need religion for?
We don't particularly that's kind of the point. But it has a cultural and social function.
Quote:This, of course, leads to other questions. Couldn't atheists just follow their conscience?
Yes but they may end up believing it's their own opinion or morality is whatever you decide it to be or whatever you can get away with without consequence. It's good to have some kind of a grounding in something beyond yourself.
Quote:And if by following their conscience, atheists are doing God's Will, then does that mean they can attain salvation?
Whenever you want to accept Christ you can, you can do it now, in a million years from now or whenever.
Quote: If if that's the case, isn't Christ's sacrifice in vein?
The truth has been revealed to you and what you decide to do is up to you.
Quote:So many phony "Christians" on this forum eventually ignore me as an embarrassment but they can't deny I'm the one that's actually reading this book and getting my direction from it.
You really are getting your direction from though. The moral values you have are the values you will find in there.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.