(December 13, 2008 at 8:52 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:(December 13, 2008 at 8:49 pm)Daystar Wrote: If you are criticizing the Bible the burden of proof is on you. You can dismiss the Bible with or without evidence, obviously you know this, but if you publicly criticize it the burden is upon you. You fail in this.No, thats not how the burden of proof works. The has to be actual evidence of the truth of the bible before I have to disprove it. And if any believer, such as yourself, claims its truth then the burden is on you. The default position is non-truth until any evidence for truth is shown. IF the bible then really does show evidence of its truth (and it never has so far and I don't see how it could really), THEN the burden of proof moves to me. And the atheists. Until then the burden of proof is on you and the bible. The burden of proof is on the believer.
By your logic then that means you have to disprove the flying spaghetti monster rather than a believer in the FSM to have to prove it?
And that the burden of proof is on you to disprove the 'truth' of the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Keeping mind that I have explained to you that I am not at all interested in proving anything to you, your science etc. It isn't my burden it is yours.
Keeping that in mind. If I showed you tons of examples where the Bible was proven right by science and archaeology that would impress you to what degree? Not that I think it would be important, just out of curiosity.
And just going over what you said, for fun -
1. There has to be actual evidence of the truth of the Bible before you have to disprove it. In other words you are just this hapless guy floating around in the universe and criticizing the Bible which you have never read. That is science and that is evidence.
So if you decided to criticize Newton’s theory of gravity you wouldn’t have to know it at all and it would be up to Newton’s work Principia or those who believe in it to challenge it. The burden of proof would be upon them.
2. The default position is non-proof. Never mind that either the Bible or Principia had already made their position of truth known you were just too lazy or indoctrinated with your own thing to have bothered with it. I have to show you.
3. So . . . Until the Atheists such as yourself actually get around to doing anything other than making baseless claims of complete ignorance about the Bible and their own disbelief regarding said works it is up to me to ‘prove’ their respective truths to you, who are not going to believe anything I say because it doesn’t fit in with their lobotomized and similar unproven theory of evolution which you also know almost next to nothing about.
Wouldn’t it be easier, EVF, for you to prove evolution to me? That is now my challenge to you. The burden of proof is upon you and oh, I know you won’t take that lightly!
Well … c’mon, then! Lets see you!
Lets save the FSM for later adventures for now.