RE: The Modal Ontological Argument - Without Modal Logic
February 15, 2014 at 3:02 am
(February 15, 2014 at 2:37 am)Rational AKD Wrote: no, as i said before God is an immaterial mind.
The immaterial mind is produced by the material brain. No mind has ever been known to exist sans brain.
(February 15, 2014 at 2:37 am)Rational AKD Wrote: since there are clear examples of things that are immaterial (color, sound etc.) it is certainly possible for the mind to be immaterial.
In what sense? Colors, sounds, etc. are the result of energy (either directly or indirectly) and while they certainly exist, this does not lead to them being sentient.
(February 15, 2014 at 2:37 am)Rational AKD Wrote: and given most would claim there is no clear defeater for extreme solipsism, most have already admitted it is possible for mind to be immaterial. therefore, it is possible for God to be an immaterial mind.
Not really. The mind, as a concept, is indeed immaterial; however, the existence of the mind is inherently contingent on the physical brain. Or does a magical omnipotent mind not need a brain? I still fail to see why an omnipotent being must exist; I would still hold to the first objection.
(February 15, 2014 at 2:37 am)Rational AKD Wrote: again, there are several things that necessarily exist. i also have an argument to support this: http://atheistforums.org/thread-21748.html
I would posit that necessary truths, if they exist, cannot be known to us for certain. Solipsism cannot be disproven, so "necessary truths" are really more akin to things, such as gravity, that seem absolute, but can we
really know for sure? There should, one would think, be a final layer, so to speak. That is, something that is not contingent upon another thing, but only the laws of physics come to mind. And the laws of physics are not sentient.
(February 15, 2014 at 2:37 am)Rational AKD Wrote: that's the only reason i need. something can only be metaphysically impossible if it has a self contradiction, for example a square circle.
So it follows that literally everything that is possible is also true?
(February 15, 2014 at 2:37 am)Rational AKD Wrote: logical impossibility has to do with coherence within a system. metaphysical possibility has to do with coherence in itself since we can imagine numerous systems for different metaphysically possible worlds and it only needs to be possibly true in one of those systems to be metaphysically possible.
It is metaphysically possible for their to be no god, then? I can certainly imagine a universe without one.
