RE: Kiev is a warzone now.
February 21, 2014 at 1:51 pm
(This post was last modified: February 21, 2014 at 2:07 pm by orogenicman.)
(February 19, 2014 at 6:02 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Yanukovich has so screwed the pooch I'm not even certain there's a pooch left.
Western Ukranians don't want increased Russian ties - and why should they?
The Russian economy is moribund, the wealth mostly in the hands of oligarchs and the culture increasingly repressive.
Between the choices of Europe and the one choice of Russia, Euromaidens have the right idea.
Kinda like here in the states.
The issue is a bit more complex that this. Yes the western part of Ukraine wants closer ties to the west. But the eastern, industrial portion of the country has closer ties to Moscow, and sees closer ties with the west as a threat. Though I don't agree with their paranoia, I can understand it.
(February 20, 2014 at 12:27 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: The government of Ukraine is lying; they claim that protesters are killing each other:
http://translate.google.com.ua/translate...7014692%2F
Evidence is against that claim; there are videos of police shooting to kill from a distance.
Police are using AKMSs and snipers.
http://www.radiosvoboda.org/media/video/25270710.html
They are shooting to kill protestors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8
They have been documented targeting Medics:
https://twitter.com/avramchuk_katya/stat...64/photo/1
She was shot in the neck.
This is not just a right wing protest. It encompasses both wings.
Police are not arresting people.
They are killing them.
As disturbing as that first video is, I can't tell who is killing who.
(February 20, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Whatever will Putin do?
Oh, and John McCain wants to bomb something.
It was clear when he attended a certain motorcycle rally in South Dakota that he wife was more likely to be elected Miss Buffalo Chips than he would to be elected president of the free world.
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-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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