What deism has done for the world

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Some atheists are keen on charging others with committing fallacies. But since I never said that these perpetrators were not really Christians, then the charge is demonstrably without merit.

Not really christian, "not representative of a christian," tomato, tomato.

I've noticed this a lot, with you; you want to take advantage of the effects of fallacious arguments, while avoiding being called out on it by not using the exact words of the fallacy. You say that they aren't representative of christians, which is the no true scotsman fallacy because suddenly the definition of what classifies as a christian has contracted to exclude this particular set of bad things, but you want to skip out on being called on it by talking about representations, rather than people.

Sorry, but a second hand fallacy is still a fallacy. Referencing it indirectly doesn't mean you get to reap the rewards without the consequences.

With regards to one's salvation, I cannot judge. I know not what has transpired within their heart and souls.

I can judge them by their works however, for their works are clearly perceived by all. The simple truth is that they were not acting in accordance with the teachings of Him whose name they desire to be called by.

Which is an interesting conclusion to come to, given how many times god was cool with his chosen people taking preteen virgins home with them from war and marrying them.

Or are god's chosen people not representative of what god is okay with, anymore?

Where did this laying waste take place?

As far as I can tell, he still has not even addressed the debate topic I have proposed upwards of ten times already.

Do you not think we can go back and see what actually transpired? You stated one debate topic, and then switched it out to this bullshit about children to make it more difficult to argue for.

And then, when you're shown contrary evidence to the point you want to dishonestly argue for, you wave it off as "not representative." Well shit, dude: how the fuck is anyone supposed to argue against your position if your definition of christianity with regards to children is "only the good things."

This is such a pitiable way to debate, and it's so common among christians when we get these "is X religious observance good or bad?" where you cull out any possibility that the bad things be counted among christian actions before you start.

The more I interact with you all, the more my convictions are reaffirmed. Many of you are angry and bitter and rely not on rational argument, but cynicism, sarcasm and a host of other ineffectual methods which reveal your utter lack of justification for your views.

Oh, fuck off, junkslut. We're angry and cynical in reaction to you, you pompous blowhard, and your inability to actually engage in honest conversation without dodging around each and every issue while redefining everything you do deign to debate so that it's locked into only what you want to believe.

I am still waiting for someone here to demonstrate to me the contributions of atheism to the children of the world's nations. All the while I am asking this, Christians at this very moment throughout the world are giving their time effort money and even their lives in the service of the helpless.

You ask for evidence but do not accept its conclusions.

Why?

Do you think we don't know why you formulated your question like this, too? It's pretty obvious: your religion has an immense apparatus capable of charitable acts, whereas "atheism," such as it can be called a unified group, does not. You (switched in) a debate topic heavily favoring your side just in terms of sheer numbers, without regard to quality.

But I'll tell you this: atheists do perform charity works, and they do it without proselytizing, they do it without any desire to get in good with god, and moreover, they do it without any of the weird religious baggage that harms the very people they claim to help. There's no religiously motivated anti-abortion/contraception talk with atheists, that leave already taxed parents unable to care for their additional/first time children. There's no anti-condom message in AIDS ridden Africa to intensify the crisis there, that you get from the Catholics. There's no bogus faith healings that lead to children's deaths. There's no burning children as witches, or beating them because they might be gay, or harmful exorcisms, or children turned out of homes for differing beliefs... did you know that fundamentalist religion is correlated with child abuse? Spare the rod, and all that.

Those are all harms of children found exclusively in your religion, and those are all thing atheism is fighting against, even just by being skeptical of religious claims, where not actively campaigning against it.

That contribution enough for you?