(March 25, 2010 at 9:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(March 25, 2010 at 6:38 pm)tavarish Wrote:(March 25, 2010 at 3:17 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're not holding on to religion you're holding on to superstition, which is part of the spiritual experience that would encompass both. Atheism is the denial of reality and the limitation of it to the material, which is ultimately illogical.
Yes, the non-belief in a magical omnipotent creator who presents himself only to those who already assume he exists - is denying reality.
Atheism doesn't presuppose naturalism, genius.
You're trying to dodge it. Let me help you... You deny spirituality observed in every human group. Therefore you deny naturalism.
Now here's the part where you explain how spirituality is a part of methodological naturalism and not pseudoscience. Also, you still haven't presented a case in which atheism necessarily presupposes naturalism.
