(March 3, 2014 at 8:48 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yeah, one death. Your deity, sacrificing himself to himself, to save us from himself. He cursed us for something we didn't do, created hell for those who don't follow him, and I'm not even sure an all powerful being can even lose anything. To become less powerful. He is far from the central figure of the human race, and far from being conclusively proven to have existed at all.
And let's not forget those witch-hunts, inquisitions, crusades, genocides of native populations and other mass-scale religious torture and murder. If Jesus is who Christians say he is, it means he watched over all of it from Heaven.
Let's give his god a pass on the whole problem of evil and accept the feeble "free will" defense just to be charitable. Let's also overlook all the suffering caused by natural disasters. We'll be generous and call it all a "test" or something and move on. Let's also gloss over all the peripheral institutions supported by Christianity over the years, from slavery to the divine right of kings.
Let's look only at the evil that has been directly done by the representatives of Jesus, by those high ranking in the "church" he established, whether these churches be Protestant or Catholic. Let's consider only the evil that has been done in his name and in the promotion of his religion. Let's first take in all the torture and mass murder done and work our way down to the effective theft of financial resources to enrich certain priests and preachers at the expense of the poor and the gullible.
If Christians are right, Jesus watched it all and did nothing.
Nothing at all.
No booming voice from the sky telling them to "knock it off". No angels commanding the pious leaders to stop murdering and torturing in Jesus' name. Such angelic interventions did happen all the time in the Bible, even in The Book of Acts of the Apostles after Jesus had left the earth. But not anymore. Not a peep from Heaven.
What would we say about a general at a "war crimes tribunal" if evidence were presented that the general knew about the atrocities being committed in his name by his soldiers, even if the general may not have directly ordered them? What if it could be proven that the general knew what was happening and could have taken action to stop it but chose not to?
The general, presented with this evidence, does not deny the charge but says, "Hey, the soldiers had free will. I'm not responsible if I wasn't there and didn't tell them to do it."
You think that defense would be accepted?
Jesus watched the Christian soldiers do what they did...
and...
he...
did...
nothing!
If Jesus is who Christians say he is, then he is the least fit being in all the universe to stand in moral judgment over anyone! The sins he would have to answer for would dwarf the ones committed by any of the worst individuals of humanity. On Judgment Day, he should beg us for forgiveness, not the other way around.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
