Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels

[discipulus]

So you say....

But I cannot help but wonder, if it is all just bull as you say, why are you so interested in it?

What you are doing is akin to me spending time in a forum arguing and debating with people and asking them questions about gnomes and leprechauns.

If it is all bull, as you claim, why are you so interested in asking people about bull?

You must like it an awful lot, or either be incredibly bored.

Because I once believed in it. And I don't know if I can ever get past that part of it. The part where I followed it for a long time, and like you, witnessed my faith to others. And for what? A lie?

It is a lie, discipulus. I know you don't or won't see it that way, but maybe someday ...you will be on the other side, just like I am, now. And while I've come a long way, it's very hard to get past knowing that a religion like Christianity has prospered for so long, by duping people.

This is what I feel, anyways.

Nah, you have just been duped Deidre. Somewhere along the way you became jaded with Christianity. Since you have never been born again or have experienced what it is like to have a personal intimate relationship with Jesus, this is to be expected.

You grew up in a Christian home maybe. You probably went to church often and sang the songs and read the bible and hung out with friends and had the warm fuzzies on several occassions, but you never saw yourself in desperate need of being saved. You never saw yourself as a sinner. So it follows logically that you would never come to the end of yourself and cry out to be saved from eternal separation from God.

Now you have abandoned Christianity and in order to silence the voice of conviction you rail and rant and rave viciously at anyone who speaks the truth. You try to drown that voice of reason that whispers to you in the innermost part of your being by a multiplicity of words and arguments that you yourself know are simply ridiculous.

By your own admission you have not been born from above and therefore you cannot see the kingdom of God.

Those that do hunger and thirst after righteousness will be filled Deidre.

I believe you hunger now. I believe that is why you are here.

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Judge for yourself, for it will be you and you alone who will bear the burden of accepting or rejecting the content of the Bible.

If you judge it to be rubbish then fine. Judge it and move on. Many who have come before you have done just that. Many there will be who will come after you who will do the same.

Fine, I'll restate the question for the benefit of an evasive jerkoff.

Do you, disciplus, believe the bible is the infallible word of God, or a fallible work of men?

I believe the Words of God are true and that they endure forever.