RE: In Defense of the Kalam
March 12, 2014 at 4:30 am
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2014 at 4:33 am by Alex K.)
(March 12, 2014 at 12:09 am)Avodaiah Wrote: Hi all, sorry I haven't replied in a while. Anyway...
Esquilax Wrote:Bare assertions don't mean much, especially when others are bringing to bear real science, and all you're doing is saying no, without providing anything.I didn't make a bare assertion. I stated a self-evident truth. The fact that everything that begins to exist has a cause is not something we're unsure of until we see or detect it happening.
No, sorry, it's not a self evident anything, it's a half-wrong (*) intuition you gleaned from the macroscopic physical laws within our universe, then applied where it is even more inapplicable.
(*) even within our universe, cause and effect are more than sketchy at the microscopic level. They are mainly an artifact of increasing entropy, and in combination with quantum uncertainty, the source of your intuition breaks down terminally. Now, all this is still dealing with rearranging of pre-existing energy quanta within our universe, your discussion of "something from nothing" outside of spacetime does not even come close to making any logical connection with your naive assumptions.
