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Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
(March 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm)Tonus Wrote:
(March 12, 2014 at 1:53 pm)ronedee Wrote: Faith BEFORE Understanding! Thats why its "impossible" for you and the others. YOU are stopping yourselves from the knowledge of God.
This is what I mean. I was raised to accept that god existed; that his existence was a given and it did not need to be verified because it was true. Without that faith, I would not have been able to gain the "understanding" that would lead to "knowledge" of god. If you do it any differently, if you try to understand god and gain knowledge before you determine that he is real, then I think it really is impossible to accept. You must accept his existence on faith and only then does the rest make any sense.

As long as you don't question that foundation and try to find god, you are okay. I reject the idea that the person who does not find god is not searching in the proper way. I think that the person who does not find god is the one who actually bothered to search.

You are looking at it from a human perspective. If indeed we are infants compared to God, how then is he to approoach us, but by love?

The greatest analogy I've heard explaining Jesus was this: "Jesus is the vocal chords of God." The Word!

There is only one way to approach God. Through Jesus. And through Love. Only by this are we acceptable to understanding! Anything else is God having to prove Himself to us. He doesn't! He could live fine w/o us.

Once we realize, and more importantly acknowledge that EVERYTHING is created, owned and maintained by Him. We can be "open" to His Grace (Love).

I know its hard. Believe me brother, I've been in your shoes. But, I realized that things are easier with Him! I have many, many stories of healings, revelations, and miracles to offer you! But, I know in my heart that it wouldn't matter. Why? Because..... its been a struggle even for me! Why would telling anyone, be better than seeing it with my own eyes, and also being skeptical.

In the face of everything I've learned about God and my Faith.... I've failed at times. But, God hasn't abandoned me. Ever! Just like He hasn't abandoned you either Tonus. I see your heart! Keep searching brother. I'll pray that He reveals Himself in a good way to you. If there is even a glimmer of hope in you to find God.... try to at least be open. Just for a time. Peace
Quis ut Deus?
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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels - by ronedee - March 12, 2014 at 3:45 pm

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