(March 15, 2014 at 12:48 am)tor Wrote: Why do you need god as a starting point?
How did he manage to die?
If he didn't die why is he so inactive and what is he doing?
Seriously it even makes less sense then monotheistic bullshit.
I don't agree - despite not being a deist. I don't find the idea that the universe had an intelligent creator all that unbelievable in comparison to the idea that it is taking an active interest in the affairs of humanity - down to the individual level.
Whilst I see no need for intelligence in getting the universe going I can fully understand either the desire or the genuine belief that there must be one.
A being that could create the universe might have started many. There's no reason why not. That creator could be extremely active - just not here. If it built the universe to be self-maintaining then active involvement would be a complete waste of its time and resources.
There is also no need for it to be genuinely all powerful, all knowing and so on - just hugely more capable than we are.
I do have to say that when I argue against theist propositions I invariably find that, when dismissing them I end up at either no god or a deist god as the possibilities or probabilities.
Never yet found a way to dismiss the deist god other than the lack of a need for one - and that's not really provable at this stage.
Kuusi palaa, ja on viimeinen kerta kun annan vaimoni laittaa jouluvalot!