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Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE]
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RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE]
(March 16, 2014 at 4:42 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Here's the thing. I only know one person who became a Christian because the examined the evidence and decided that was the best / most likely explanation. All the rest, myself included, became Christian because they had an experience they attributed to God.

Bollocks Smile

Ugh I guess I must elaborate...

I hate superstitious idiots, and you appear to be one. Sorry.

People come to BELIEVE in God through faith.

OP: no one can have transferable evidence of God, as that would be illogical. God is metaphysical by definition. ie not physical. If you want to chase that definition I suggest that you put in a little work and find out what it is your trying to discuss. At the moment your question doesn't address the subject at all.

(March 12, 2010 at 4:09 am)Ryft Wrote: What is Faith:

Being persuaded and fully committed in trust, involving a confident belief in the truth, value, and trustworthiness of God. When it comes to Christianity, 'faith' is defined by three separate but vitally connected aspects (especially from Luther and Melancthon onwards): notitia (informational content), assensus (intellectual assent), and fiducia (committed trust). So faith is the sum of having the information, being persuaded of its truthfulness, and trusting in it. To illustrate the three aspects: "Christ died for ours sins" (notitia); "I am persuaded that Christ died for our sins" (notitia + assensus); "I deeply commit in trust to Christ who I am persuaded died for our sins" (notitia + assensus + fiducia). Only the latter constitutes faith, on the Christian view.

Consequently, notitia and fiducia without assensus is blind and therefore not faith. This shipwrecks the egregious canard that faith is merely a blind leap. Faith goes beyond reason—i.e., into the arena of trust—but never against reason. From the Enlightenment onwards, faith has been subject to constant attempts at redefining it into the realm of the irrational or irrelevant (e.g., Kant's noumenal category); but all such attempts are built on irresponsible straw man caricatures that bear no resemblance to faith as held under the Christian view: notitia, assensus, and fiducia.
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Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by xr34p3rx - March 16, 2014 at 3:20 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2014 at 9:25 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 2:54 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2014 at 11:02 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2014 at 11:37 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2014 at 1:02 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2014 at 11:19 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 16, 2014 at 7:54 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 3:46 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by shep - March 17, 2014 at 3:25 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 4:30 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 5:03 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 1:15 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 1:24 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 1:30 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 1:36 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 1:47 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 2:02 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 2:12 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 18, 2014 at 3:02 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 7:54 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 9:00 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 8:51 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 17, 2014 at 9:15 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 18, 2014 at 3:27 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 19, 2014 at 2:11 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 12:22 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 12:28 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 12:37 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 1:08 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 12:39 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 2:22 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 2:29 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 2:33 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 2:40 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 2:42 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by shep - March 18, 2014 at 9:17 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 6:26 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 18, 2014 at 8:43 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 6:31 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 6:42 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 8:45 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 18, 2014 at 8:48 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 18, 2014 at 2:43 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 18, 2014 at 8:59 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 18, 2014 at 4:39 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 18, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by shep - March 18, 2014 at 7:00 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 18, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 19, 2014 at 3:18 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 19, 2014 at 3:27 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 19, 2014 at 3:37 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 19, 2014 at 3:49 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by fr0d0 - March 19, 2014 at 4:00 am
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 26, 2014 at 11:38 pm
RE: Evidence for god? Convince me! [CHALLENGE] - by tor - March 27, 2014 at 2:13 am

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