Is Hell or Prison the best cure for immorality?

[Rabb Allah]

Why are you so concerned with religious texts? Also have you really not read any of the Hindu scriptures because that sort of hell is mentioned in the Vedas.

I'm not overly concerned with them, it was a singular point I made at the start of my post to illustrate what I found to be unjust about most mainstream conceptions of hell. The fact that I had to reiterate that for you doesn't mean that they're at all my focus.

A feudal warlord conquers, please tell me in a hypothetical sense what a god would have to conquer. I understand you are not so bright in the matters of theology yet alone common sense but if someone creates something it is thus their property.

I'm not so bright, and yet you're the one who missed my point in favor of the most literal interpretation you could find.

My point wasn't about conquering, but about strength, about this "might makes right" attitude that seems to be at the heart of this idea that god has the right to do whatever he wants. Aside from being powerful, what exactly has god done to earn these rights you say he has over us. And don't say "created us," because we fucking take children away from unfit parents, having a hand in the origins of something doesn't confer you automatic dominion over it. Even if it did, we'd just have another unjust power system on the list.

The issue though is that you view consciousness and supposed autonomy as a negation towards ownership. We are the ones who created such concepts to save our society from wide spread infanticide since a child is a biological product of another body ruled by a mind. God has no higher authority and has no morals since morality is merely a biological product and intellectually retweeked tool to prevent us from cutting throats. None of these things are applicable when you are speaking about a nonbiological being that is not even capable of being quantified or understood.

More "mysterious ways" crap? Spare me; if you can't even detail why god somehow has rights above and beyond us other than to say that he's magical, then you can just go right ahead and admit that you don't have an argument, already.

So God is George Bush?

What the fuck are you talking about?

You are talking about God as if he lived in a society and was elected as president. You are dramatically downplaying even the most common perceptions about god. You are tossing out every single quality and action to replace god with some sort of Olympian ruler ship like Zeus.

Must we really start on the ignostic level before we progress? If you do not even accept the most basics of my position towards god then you are not arguing against my claim. You are just making strawman arguments.