Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels

[ThomM]

As Requested


Ok, here's my problem. This is what clinched it for me.

Red is not purple.

Matthew says that the soldiers “put a scarlet robe” on Jesus (27:27-28), Mark says that “they clothed Him with purple ” (15:16-17), and John states that the soldiers put “a purple robe” on Him (19:1-2)

I've heard any number of takes on this and none of them are convincing.

Matthew could have been colourblind. Fine, but that means the human limitations of the authors have to be allowed for. Which means someone else might have written something wrong because of perspective.

It could be that one has to COMBINE the gospels to get to the truth. In which case we have a bible which all together leaves us a robe 2/3rds of the way between purple and red. Which is a different colour which is NOT RED AND NOT PURPLE. Read any one gospel and its wrong.

Or we could go down the route that it was a FADED red robe which was starting to look purple. In which case it wasn't red any more.

Some people have it that the romans used the same word for red AND purple. Bully for them. We don't. Red is not purple. Purple is not red.

I've read (ha) a few other explanations but fundamentally it boils down very simply. Red and purple are different. Thus if it was one thing, it was not the other thing. And if it was a THIRD thing (purply red or reddish purple) then it was NEITHER red nor purple.

That's it. Red is not purple.

While I find that particular point pretty petty on which to base the lack of belief - one needs only to actually read the bible - read it and understand it - to see just how it is convoluted - contradictory - and has numerous factual errors - some coming supposedly directly from the christ itself.

I prefer to ask = what were the last words of the christ on the cross?
Why is it that there is no agreement on that.

I prefer to refer to 1 Timothy 2 - and point out that according to the christ - women are supposed to be Submissive - Silent - and bear children because of the sin of "EVE" - when we KNOW that the story of adam and eve is a fairy tale.

I prefer to refer to the story of the christ wandering the desert - when the devil took him to a high place from which HE could see ALL the kingdoms of the earth - when the god would have known that cannot be true - there is NO such place on earth from which you can see ALL of the kingdoms mentioned in the bible at that point. AND since that story can have only TWO sources - the devil - or the christ - why would the christ LIE about it?
OR why did they include a devil sourced part of the bible?

The problem is that there are simply TOO many of these things to accept the bible as being true. Once you accept that there are things in the bible that are not true - then the "truth" of the rest of the bible rests with the proof NOT IN THE BIBLE - and we have NOT a single piece of evidence from the supposed time of the christ that even mentions his name.


However - the basic problem I have with the religion is somehow XTIANS are incapable of living a good - honorable - moral - and ethical life without the bribe of eternal reward. AS a sentient intelligent human - I am capable of living such a life for the most basic reason - it is the correct thing to do. THE need for a reward negates the action.

ANd if a truly intelligent god actually did exist - it would know that too.