(March 22, 2014 at 6:07 pm)tor Wrote: Give me an example of objective value which is impossible to exist with naturalistic means.
Did you read my reply and argument properly?
Here was the response to when you misunderstood my argument before:
Quote:Praise would exist in the sense beings praise other beings or appreciate others or have a sense of pride, but what would not exist would be knowledge that objective praise value exists. This argument is not saying this means no objective praise value exists, it's that we would not know it does if naturalism is true. The reason being is because we would have preceded with a purely subjective creation of a sense of value and praise without knowing at least at this point of time how it got to a sense of objective praise and objective value actually being true. The latter I argue would need a supernatural type knowledge, it would require knowledge through faith, and could not be verified from mechanism of naturalism. I also am arguing that this faith is strongly rooted in humanity to the extent that we do have knowledge.