(March 22, 2014 at 6:42 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Seems like merely assertions regarding your interpretations of your experience. Worse, you seem to think that mere direct expeeience of something gives you definite knowledge of its nature; that's bullshit. That's why Descartes cogito fails, because he assumes that there is a thing that thinks, when his argument only has access to the incorrigible proposition that 'there are thoughts'.
The fact that you apparently conceive of yourself as a ontologically separate, undivided whole doesn't actually tell you if you are. And I would tend to see psychology as being an excellent refutation of that belief.
I said in both cases naturalism and non-naturalism, this our concept. I think you misunderstood. I never said having this concept means we know it, but rather said, in the case of naturalism, it seems it can be an illusion.
Quote:Of course, on naturalism, the past is a part of who we are. It shaped our memories, beliefs and ingrained habits, which are the basis for how we act. This is a silly.
You are right. I guess what I meant was that it forms part of our pride aspect of who we are or shame aspect. Or rather it's not simply about our very own habits now, but that we take identity in past actions.
Quote:There was no such point. "Objective value" is a contradiction in terms. A value is something that only exists to the valuer. Hence, it is dependent on the valuer. Thus, it is no an actual feature of the world in itself. 'Objective' denotes an abstraction from agents. Therefore, 'objective value' is a contradiction.
When we value something, don't we do so with belief that we are estimating an actual value to that? Don't we have standards by which we value as opposed to simply us being what decides the value of something?
Quote:Again, our awareness of our existence tells us nothing non-trivial about the ontological status of it.
You misunderstand my argument. I'm saying we already know we are such and such, but would not have this knowledge where it naturalism being true. I'm not saying because we have the concept therefore we know.