Atheists... why do you believe that God doesn't exist?
April 19, 2014 at 9:24 pm
(This post was last modified: April 19, 2014 at 10:00 pm by Rampant.A.I..)
(April 19, 2014 at 8:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: 1. I don't believe in something that lacks supporting evidence. I believe in something which cannot by definition have objective evidence.
Right, you only believe in supernatural things you want to believe in, claim your belief is rational and supported by a reasonable argument you will not provide. If you expect anyone to rationally agree with claims, you have to support them with something other than "I have support".
(April 19, 2014 at 8:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: 2. I just answered.
3. Read the thread and your 1st response to me
No idea what this is referring to, you'll have to be more specific.
(April 19, 2014 at 8:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: 4. I believe in a supernatural entity. I do not believe in superstitious nonsense. No conflict there. Your statement that I have a supernatural belief is nonsensical in itself... It asserts that I have supernatural ability.
So you believe in the supernatural. Except anything supernatural that isn't canon to your religious beliefs. And some supernatural beliefs that are.
You're saying in effect "I don't believe in the supernatural superstitious nonsense, I only believe in one supernatural entity with miraculous deeds and supernatural powers!"
Yes. You do believe in the supernatural, yet dismiss some supernatural claims you dislike, based on nothing.
(April 19, 2014 at 8:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: 5. I just explained why I don't believe in other supernatural entities giving the leprechaun as an example.
Yes, you said something along the lines of "well obviously they're imaginary, reasonable people know that" and changed subjects.
(April 19, 2014 at 8:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: 6. Intellect is a gift I assume you possess, just like me. With this we can explore any proposal presented. I don't dismiss the supernatural. You do. Your conclusion isn't mine. Your reasoning being.... there is no natural evidence. I'm sorry, that not logical. My reasoning: the theological evidence for God.
You claim to not dismiss the supernatural, yet dismiss unicorns and leprechauns as imaginary. Your deity, leprechauns and unicorns all lack evidence, and yet you dismiss two of the three, based on what? The same skepticism you claim I lack for not accepting your unsupported claims as true by default.
Could you quote where I have claimed "I know God does not exist"?
Given the historical things attributed to a God or gods have a track record of being demonstratively due to natural causes, and that people seem to believe in gods/A God entirely due to culture, upbringing, and the history of their geographic location, and people seem to only experience revelations about the God or gods they are socialized to accept. And religion itself does not seem to come from revelation of objective truths, it seems to evolve from earlier cultural beliefs into new forms, and split of into sects, which eventually become other religions. The whole business, while interesting, seems to be the product of superstitious belief in the supernatural.
(April 19, 2014 at 8:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: 7. You studied a few religions superficially. I've done that and also studied one particular religion exhaustively and also as an active participant. You bet I claim authority.
Judaism and Christianity are major worldwide religions. What part of comparative religions did you take to mean "a cursory review of a few of 'em"? You seem to be claiming expertise based on extensive indoctrination and study from a non-academic, and apparently not critical perspective.
If you're claiming you have studied Christanity exhaustively, why can you not provide any reason your specific JCI deity is distinguishable from other supernatural beliefs? You've been asked five times, and yet have produced nothing but "I have a rational argument."
(April 19, 2014 at 8:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: 8. You apparently can't read.
You say that, after claiming I'm a poor skeptic for finding your unsupported claims unconvincing.
(April 19, 2014 at 8:04 am)fr0d0 Wrote: 9. You claim to have studied comparative religions, yet you have no idea how to distinguish between deity and superficial magic. I find that hard to believe... that you claim ignorance of a subject you claim to have studied.
There is no distinguishing characteristic between a deity and the belief in any given supernatural entity, other than what attributes the practitioners of that religion attribute to it.
