So U think Vegan is healthy?

[MJ the Skeptical]

I'm not even going to bother dignifying that with an answer since you've obviously made a straw man.

Straw man? c'mon, just no. I asked you to confirm or deny something. Significantly different to making your position for you, wouldn't you say...

You sound like you're conceding that you don't need meat to build muscle or even live healthily if I made a staw man...But seriously, get real with the false straw man claim.

Which didn't prove that you needed meat since people can live without it, but continue...

If that wasn't your claim about needing meat then I withdraw my statement.

Since you're the one making that claim, the onus of proof is on you. Show me vegan societies anywhere in the world that have reproduced and thrived on a vegan diet?

That would be interesting to see but I know of no vegan societies to speak of. But, you are saying that you need meat to reproduce and thrive healthily, so, you just proved I made no straw man. Thanks.

The average length of time a person in the USA is on a vegetarian diet is 9 years (the figure from psychology today). Health problems from deficiencies can take 20 years to develop.

Nobody advocated for a total vegan diet, if you had actually been reading you'd have seen that.

Who's making straw man's against who again?

There is no oral B12 supplement that has been proven can work long term for vegans.

Which is why you balance it out like I've been saying over and over but you keep ignoring for an argument.

I think we will be able to get all of the nutritional value from some sort of modified meat or something similar in the future. Maybe not soon, but eventually we should be able to synthesize anything.

Eliminating an entire food group (or two, counting dairy separately) is not a balanced diet.

Wow, you're being kind of a dumbass right now. You cry straw man when there are none from me and then make two against me including this new one above. I never said eliminate an entire food group, get that through your head, okay great.

Furthermore your comparison is uneven: meat is one food group out of five, and someone who eats only meat is eliminating four out of the five good groups.

Damn, a third straw man. I never said someone who only eats meat, I said someone who mostly eats meat.

A vegan is eliminating two entire food groups: meat and dairy, that is not balanced. A paleo eliminates grain entirely, that also may not be balanced.

Never once have I promoted Veganism. I think this qualifies as a 4th straw man here.

No, anything you have read is probably propaganda.

For someone who doesn't even know my position, I doubt you could tell the difference between fact and propaganda when you're so intellectually dishonest in your replies.

But what can I expect from someone of your stupid religious beliefs though, distortion is your game.

Many people have other food sensitivities. Some people can't eat gluten, some people can't eat nuts, some people can't eat foods containing soy.

And some people can't eat meat or meat products...Just sayin'...

Let me give you a hypothetical: it's been proven that plant-based diets lower cholesterol. Cholesterol deficiency causes anxiety, depression, anger and aggression. How does a vegan go about correcting a dangerously low cholesterol level?

I'm not a vegan, but your answering a question with another question sounds like another concession to me.

You claimed that animal products are not the only source of high quality protein, I proved otherwise. Furthermore there are countless examples, as in my OP, of people who could not build muscle on fully vegan diets no matter what they did or what supplements they took.

You hardly proved anything but whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. But this rant is at least the 5th straw man in this reply. My exact words were "Meat is not the only good source of protein" not high source of protein. There are good alternatives.

See? it was your own fault for the misunderstanding. Basically you started an argument for no reason with someone you probably agree with for the most part, hope you have fun.

I hear the sound of you eating your words

Projection at it's finest, folks.