So U think Vegan is healthy?

[MJ the Skeptical]

You didn't bother to address the argument at all

Because my original post had nothing to do with it. Case solved.

there are some vegan athletes.

And that should tell you something, shouldn't it.

Well I already pointed this out, and if you had searched through my posts using associated keywords you would have found it

I'd rather poke my eyes out than fritter away time like that.

Vegans are the ones making the claim that we don't need any meat, and the onus of proof is on them.

Why the fuck are you bringing it up then if I'm not a vegan? just admit you made the actual straw man.

The claim they most often make is: "veganism done correctly does not lead to any health problems" or the way you put it* "people can live without (meat)" - disproven. It doesn't work for everyone long-term.

I don't give a damn, stop bringing up the irrelevance of veganism.

*PLEASE NOTE: I'm not calling you a vegan.

Then stop mentioning it, are you purposely being dense?

Vegans believe one extreme, most of us - especially doctors and nutritionists - don't believe either extreme.

Who gives a fuck what vegans think, stay on topic chief.

Everyone is different. Some people thrive eating meat once a fortnight, however very few people thrive on long-term vegan diets. 75% of American vegetarians return to eating meat with the average length of time being 9 years, and the number one reason they give for returning to eating meat (given by 35% of respondents) is for health.

How does it feel to argue with yourself?

Another straw man - you can't use "mostly vegan" for arguments to do with perceived health benefits on vegan diets.

I think you completely missed the point of what I said, but I'm not surprised. If you think someone who eats mostly meat is better off than someone who eats mostly vegetarian / vegan / whatever label, that's fine, you're entitled to your stupid opinion. I don't know how much we can agree on before you just knock it off. How you can still argue with me after I advocate a balanced diet is beyond reasonable.

No we don't agree upon that.

If you think meat is the most important food group then there's really no helping you here.

however I don't agree with eliminating them from your diet entirely and I think that's extreme.

Who suggested that? Do you like bringing up irrelevent things all the time?

I also don't agree with eliminating dairy if you're lactose tolerant.

And?

This is what you wrote:

• [quote='Quantum Theorist' pid='653516' dateline='1397888322']
  
  

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  Which didn't prove that you needed meat since people can live without it, but continue...

That's not an advocation of veganism, sorry but you're an idiot. I'm pointing out that you can live without it, not that you should.

Looks like you're still the only one attacking the straw man.

Why would you want to synthetise something that's grown naturally? Do you want to synthetise opium artificially instead of growing poppies too? What's the benefit?

Do you have any empathy for other animals or no? how could any empathetic, altruistic human being possibly be against properly synthesized food if we could save billions of animals that get killed every year. I will freely admit it's not viable yet, but why would you not at least be in favor of it unless you're just a cold-hearted speciesist. Maybe you are a speciesist seeing as how you're a Christian.

Maybe not the way you count food groups, but beans, and for that matter corn too are seeds and all seeds are grains.

So where is my declaration to get rid of a food group? still waiting for your cherry-picked, out of context quote like you tried to pull earlier. Or are you going to admit you made another actual straw man...

I've provided plenty of academic references, you've provided zero

That's because you're arguing with yourself.

I simply surmise since you bring up assertions as "facts" that you can't reference them with scientific material. Simple.

You misrepresented me several times, so of course I didn't bring up any references if I never made the positions you suggest I made. Herp Derp. This is getting old, hopefully your reply is almost over..

As to your attack on my religious beliefs, you don't know this because you're new

I don't need to be new to recognize a poisoned mind.

I'm sure you're a nice guy, but, religious people like you love to distort the actual facts. The truth of the matter is, you argued against nobody, you thought I was a vegan the whole time. You made yourself look bad, I don't need to be new to recognize that either.

And your reference?

Really? people can't get allergic to meat? news to me, sounds like bullshit but you may be right.

Guy, your title says "u" instead of "you" ..talk about ironic..

Also, No, I used your as a pronoun...

You're now being deliberately dishonest. You were responding to what I originally wrote:

• Aractus: Soy is poison, and you can't get any high quality protein from fruit/veg/nuts and grains.

To which you replied:

• [i]Quantum Theorist: You're still full of shit, meat is not the one and only good source of protein

Look at the cherry-picking, out of context, mental gymnastics going on here.

So you're now conceding that I'm not full of shit and I'm correct in saying that animal products are the only source of high quality protein?

No, because I said that meat wasn't the only good source, not the only high source.

Get the distinction yet? I don't care, whatever.

Or are you are simply saying that changing my position in your response from "animal products" to "meat" and "high quality protein" to "good source of protein" is somehow honest and not making a straw man?

You're the one who conflated 'high' with 'good'. So tell me, who's making straw man's again...