So U think Vegan is healthy?

[MJ the Skeptical]

Can't believe this guy keeps typing back.

Then you didn't read Dan Buettner's article "How To Live To 100 - Nine Healthy Habits" based on his research into the regions with high proportions of centenarians, or listen to his TED talk on the same subject

Then you're a fucking idiot because no diet can guarantee you a long life. Glad you typed back to get owned some more.

Dan Buettner's research says you can't slow or stop your aging, however you can accelerate it

..Which can't guarantee you a long life what with all the variables in life, which was my original comment on that.

and the capacity of the human body is about 90 years.

Right, because anyone who lives past 90 is going past their capacity lol. You idiot. Time to do more research because the human body is built for about 200 years, we just can't get there because of internal and external factors.

Also, the areas he looked at were not people who were popping multivitamins or taking other supplements as so many in the western world seem to do. I see ads on TV advertising multivitamins for children, I think that's appalling how anyone thinks that advertising multivitamins for children is ethical.

What was the point of this?

His first post addressed to you was: not a straw man. You claimed that that fruit, veg and grains are the 'best foods nutritionally' (your words), and he called that an unfounded assertion especially to do with grains.

Yeah what I said was a fact and you're too stupid to realize it. Because there are more food groups so by definition since my comment encompassed many food groups over just one food group, could you be more dense?

You're just as stupid as frodo if you didn't see that, and I'm not surprised you didn't. Keep failing though, I'm having fun.

You're the one who came in here crying "straw man". You're actually really great at making straw man arguments (FYI that doesn't make it ironic, but it does make you a hypocrit).

Whatever helps you sleep at night. It's ironic because you're the one actually making them. It would be ironic for you if I was making them but I'm not making them so it's clearly not ironic for you to hear that from me. Case closed, another fail.

This is not a thread about religion

Nobody said it was, I'm trying to get you to add something relevant about your worldview, which includes your archaic religious views.

last post I taught you the definition of straw man

As I said, the one making them hardly has any ground to be so pompously arrogant claiming someone else is doing it.

this post I'm going to teach you the definition of trolling. That bullshit above is called trolling.

You didn't write a definition. Guess you're still full of shit.

Who told you I "won't go over the negatives of meat"? Or is this another one of your assumptions? So you don't bring up a subject, and then conclude that because I didn't bring it up already that I refuse to talk about it?

The point wasn't that you said you were going to explain the negatives. The point was that you are talking up meat pretty high and not talking about the negatives. Higher than anyone I've ever talked to, seeing as how you started an argument over nothing like a fucking idiot. Now you care about keeping things relevant? even after line after line of irrelevant bullshit in your past posts. What a joke you are.

I didn't ever say that "red meat is the best food nutritionally", I said it's the most nutrient dense food. Grains like Soy are in fact also very dense in "nutrients", however not the nutrients that humans need.

Split more hairs. It's the same fucking thing.

Lierre Keith, author of "The Vegetarian Myth" is the one who I quoted as saying red meat is the most nutrient dense. Notice that I have a reference, I already provided it, and that you don't.

Holy shit.

You keep bringing up veganism as if it's relevant. Don't hurt your brain trying to hard to argue with people for nothing.

I didn't say it was the "best meat". In fact in my last post I said that people don't need to eat any red meat if they don't want to. I really wish you could learn to recognize your own straw man arguments.

"the most nutrient dense food is red meat"

You clearly know the word because someone on another forum kept accusing you of making them!

What forum site would that be? one you just made up in your head? Fail.

Here you go again, deliberately twisting what I said.

There's that irony again of projecting what you're doing onto me.

Some people consume too much red meat, that's true, but many more people consume too much added sugar in western countries like Australia and the USA.

How is this relevant to what you quoted? oh yeah, it's not, you're a fuckwit.

There are examples of people that over consume just about anything including water.

Herp Derp.

As to your constant statement that plenty of people live healthily on "mostly green diets" - so what?

Thank you very much for another concession.

However there's no evidence that, say, everyone should eat meat once a week just because it works for some people.

Yawn. More irrelevant yammering, how many times have I asked for relevance here.

What is it with trying to put words into my mouth? Some people do very well with getting 60% of their calories from meat/fish, some people do very well with getting 30% of their calories from meat/fish. I'm not advocating extremes.

An educated guess based on context clues, qualified with "it seems" is putting words in your mouth... swing and a miss...

Yes, you think you're very smart don't you.

What kind of response is that? you might as well have not responded.

I just showed why emotional arguments are not necessarily invalid.

Let's take Seals as an example. Europe doesn't have the problem of having to deal with that pest species so they're completely detached from the reality of what Canada has to face.

You can't make a blanket statement about all of Europe that they consider seals a pest, that's a fucking nonsensical fallacy. And like I said, we're a pest to the seals as well. It's a matter of perspective. Could have sworn I wrote that earlier, what a Deja-vu. Under your logic why should we not take people out since we are a pestilence on this planet and are killing it at an alarming rate. I don't think we should kill people, but under the "pest" logic, we should.

If Canadians didn't cull Seals then their fish stocks would be depleted.

Again, what about us? we are depleting resources way more heavily than any other animal and hurt the ecosystem to a far higher degree than any animal ever has. Under your logic we should cull humans? wouldn't the world be a better place under your logic if we just took out every pest of any species? Or do you have some bullshit notion that you can do what you please other animals and this planet. Seeing as how we are a complete pest on this planet and may even destroy ourselves from stupidity.

It is a necessary thing. Same thing here, in Australia, with Kangaroos. We have batshit-crazy far-left people that protest it, but we need to cull roos for the good of the environment.

No, you stupid fuckwit, if you gave a shit about the environment you're first impulse of slaughter wouldn't be your best solution to a bigger problem, there are far bigger problems than animals overpopulating. What you do is make political change like; getting rid of fossil fuels or switching to solar/electric cars etc. Our activity has contributed more damage to our species than any other animal could ever do. The corollary of your example includes humans in this pest theory since you are conveniently leaving out humans in your pest theory of why we should cull other animals but not us. I'm not advocating either one, but under your logic you should be in favor of pest control across the board.

Of course I'm in favour of sustainable hunting and fishing. No one is forcing you to eat whales if you don't want to. With that said, I'm not in favour of their dolphin hunting that is where I would draw the line. And look at that - you got all worked up about whales and did not even say a single thing about Southern Bluefin Tuna.

Tuna aren't sentient like Dolphins or Whales are. Intellectual dishonest turd. It's not about forcing me to eat whale, it's about the ethical conundrum of killing sentient life and destroying the food chain. If you were an abortion hating theist, which I won't assume, then you may be able to understand this from that angle. And I proved you don't understand the structure if you think we should just be able to hunt anything that's not critically endangered, which means only a few hundred left alive.

I've been saying the whole time that there's no one diet that's right for everyone...

What a coincidence, me too. And in my original post, no less. Derp.

What happened to needing meat to gain muscle? guess I refuted that...

Now that you know what this word means, please use it correctly.

Thanks idiot, but I did use it correctly, you've been nothing but ironic crying straw man and making them, that's irony, and I don't need your validation for that fact either. You're just going to have to fucking deal with it.

Do you really believe you've made zero straw man arguments? I believe the word for that is: delusion.

Do you really think you haven't? I believe that's called, brain-dead.

Which you did.

No, because not everything you said was a straw man and I didn't say everything was, so you're still a fucking idiot.

And yet more evidence that you try to win arguments with insults and needless trolling rather than substance.

I'm not trying to win anything you ego-maniac, talk about making a straw man. Why are you making the position for me that I'm trying to win something? oh yeah, you're a fuckwit who doesn't understand the implications of what he says. But in actuality, I am enjoying making you look stupid though. And I do enjoy calling you the necessary insults, because they are valid. I'll say it again proudly, you, are, a, fucking, idiot, and I have pages of irrelevance and distortion out of you to validate that fact. Remember when you tried to equate my arguments with veganism? Of course you don't.

You know, I got so caught up in explaining to QT what "straw man" and "ironic" mean I completely forgot to ask:

Does anyone else here, besides QT, think that I habitually make straw man arguments?

Aren't you the asshole who made the "Seriously, how is anyone dumb enough to be fat?" thread?

Can't believe I wasted time talking to someone so obviously retarded.