(April 29, 2014 at 1:13 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 10:05 am)Chad32 Wrote: If you want to understand something, you shouldn't begin with an assumption. That's your first mistake.
Would you apply that to scientific discoveries?
I assume that you're human. I test for human. Human test passed. Subject assumed to be human.
Please demonstrate the fault with this process. I'm not disagreeing with you, as I don't need to. I'm merely interested.
Of course it applies to the scientific method. Science is all about finding evidence for stuff to understand things. Someone might see a neanderthal, and assume it's human, but after testing they find out it's not. Some European might see an African, and assume it isn't really human, but after testing we find out that they are.
Supernatural forces can't be tested, so we can't find out anything definitive about them, so it's not good to assume they exist anyway. To understand something about a supernatural being, you'd have to find definitive answers about the existence of the supernatural, and how supernatural things work. We can't do that, so we can't say gods exist, how many there are, what they can and can't do, or anything about them.
A christian will assume the supernatural exists, there is one god, and he's omnipotent, present, and knowing. Despite not being able to provide concrete evidence on any of that. You have said yourself that supernatural forces can't be examined by natural means, and leave no natural evidence, so debating about these things is no more productive than debating on the existence of vampires. Are they're ugly or beautiful, what powers do they have, can they subsist on animal blood, and are they always evil?
These questions about vampires have fueled many stories in multiple medias, but one person can't definitively say one way or another because we haven't found any vampires yet. Are you going to assume vampires are real anyway?
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10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html