Atheists... why do you believe that God doesn't exist?
April 29, 2014 at 9:14 pm
(This post was last modified: April 29, 2014 at 9:40 pm by Rampant.A.I..)
(April 29, 2014 at 5:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:If the above is true, you should be able to demonstrate it in some way. If you can't, then I have every reason to assume you are talking out of your ass while having no way of knowing that you're not.
I know, you insist that you can't demonstrate it. What I don't get is why you think that this failure on your part weakens my position.
I can demonstrate it, just not objectively.
Eg. look all around you for evidence of him. Everything which exists/ irrefutable logic of his existence attested by believers.
All you can say it's that you disagree.
Of you take the materialist stance, however, you deny the ability of humans to reach conclusions via logic. Logic which is founded in reality.
This is your "rational proof"? An existent universe is your proof that your specific incarnation of the the deity you were enculturated to believe exists?
How can you by the same logic deny the thousands of other gods said to have existed, or other supernatural entities -- which I can only assume after 4-5 pages you cannot reasonably defend the dismissal of any of the supernatural entities out forth by other superstitious beliefs, and qualify why your own beliefs are compartmentalized from any criticism, external or internally -- and yet still claim evidence which points to "existence demonstrates existence" and bend that arrow to conveniently point to a supernatural entity you already believe exists that you already defined as: "that entity for which no transferable or objective evidence exists".
So which is it? Objective evidence does exist, or no objective evidence can by definition exist?
What links <existence exists> to <:. My specific supernatural deity in the way I define it exists>?
It's equivalent to saying "A baby named David will be born in 1953, and 6 people will be killed and 7 wounded between 1976-1977, as demanded by his neighbor's dog, therefore all dogs are innately evil and can communicate telepathically."
Do you understand what a logical proof is?
Quote:A formal proof or derivation is a finite sequence of sentences each of which is an axiom or follows from the preceding sentences in the sequence by a rule of inference. The last sentence in the sequence is a theorem of a formal system. (Wikipedia)
You've logically proved that you can throw together a premise and conclusion, and believe you have an objectively logically sound proof of your specific specific deity with all the qualifications and descriptors you tag on to that deity not only exists, but is somehow related to the evidence you are presenting. You've failed to logically show how and why this is the case.
There is nothing objectively reasonable in connecting the conclusion you presuppose to be true is evidenced by reasoning you've utterly failed, for the entirety of this thread, to provide, presumably because you don't have any.
You were raised to believe <God exists>,
Therefore <My specific deity named God exists>
Therefore <My God is omnipotent>
Therefore <My God created the universe>
Therefore <My God created the universe>
Therefore <The universe existing is evidence of my God> makes sense, to you. You presuppose six conclusions, that you are incapable of logically supporting, and have presented as evidence of the first conclusion.
Objectively. Because you think your reasoning is sound, and this makes you feel intellectually superior to anyone who would have to bash themselves over the head repeatedly with a sack of bricks until they were able to accept your reasoning as a logical argument, and are proud of it, fancying yourself intelligent for seeing the connection between multiple conclusions with no deduction behind them, where none objectively exists.
Congrats. If you're good, and can come up with some tenable reasons for why those conclusions connect, what logical arguments support each conclusion, and a tenable reason to reject every other supernatural entity lacking evidence except the one you've decided you believe in, you can have glitter to use with your macaroni and Elmer's glue painting of what your supernatural entity looks like.