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Christians choose delusion
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RE: Christians choose delusion
(April 30, 2014 at 7:20 am)Bronwynn Wrote: My words to you don't come from desperation. Or fevered imagination. I am not delusional. I am not a bible thumping "Christian" who goes to church every Sunday to look good for others. I don't handle snakes and scream and carry on, as others do. I am simply one person who knows God, who worships and prays to Him in the solitude of my own home.
To the outside observer, there's very little difference between the nonsense that's spouted by the 'bible thumpers' and the nonsense that's spouted by the 'cultural' or 'moderate' believers. I guess we'll just have to take your word on this one.
Quote:The "heart" I was referring to was not the blood pumping organ, that is visible. I was speaking of the "heart" we are given, which is spoke of in the bible as being; deceitful above all things, full of wickedness, and who can know it? it is a bottomless pit because there is no end to it, no bottom. The invisible Heart is also in countless songs that I'm sure you have sung; I left my heart in San Fransisco, My heart will go on, Heart breaker, my broken heart, etc. etc. We can agree that everyone has a heart such as this, that is what I was referring to.
Sorry, poetic license doesn't give you an escape route here. What you're talking about are the various emotions which were attributed to the heart, instead of the brain, by our more ignorant forebears. When these terms were coined, they actually thought that these feelings were a product of what we now know to be a solely blood-pumping organ. But I'll grant you your license, for the sake of this conversation because you're still wrong: this 'heart' is far from invisible! Using MRI scans, we can visually observe the mechanism of the brain as we experience these emotions. There's no supernatural forces at play here.
Quote:The point I was trying to show you is simply this.
You can believe that air, which is invisible, is real.
Not invisible: at our scale we can see its effects and at a microscopic scale, we can see the particles of which air is comprised.
Quote:The heart, which is invisible, is real.
Not invisible.
Quote:The mind, whose images and sounds cannot be grasped, is real.
Not invisible: I'll refer you to MRI scans, once again.
Quote:God, who is invisible, who cannot be grasped, is real.
So your analogy fails to illustrate this point. I'm yet to read any justification for accepting the existence of something which is intangible and undefined.
Quote:we are made of visible and invisible things.
Seriously, you need to pay more attention to biology.
Quote: I look at myself in the mirror and say, yes that is me. Yet, the greater part of me is what I do not see.
Only because you don't understand. Your whole argument is from ignorance & incredulity.
Quote: That part, which is invisible I have recognized, and embraced and that part is joined with God. Yet I carry around this flesh, which is aging and breaking down, yet I am alive because of Him.
Nope, you're alive because of well documented bio-chemical and bio-electric mechanisms.
Quote:Consider how things grow.
Okay...
Quote:The seed in all of us, can be brought to growth through God.
I was not grown from a seed... Oh, I see, poetic license again. Look, rhetoric & hyperbole are all well & good but they don't constitute a rational argument.
Quote: Or do you believe that you are alive, waiting to die?
Actually, I believe I'm alive & living. You'll often find that it's those who believe in an afterlife who are 'waiting to die'. Once again, you're creating unrealistic generalisations (strawmen). Any arguments built against those are false, by definition.
Quote: the opposite is true. We are only made alive through the life giving seed from above. this place, called hades or whatever you want to call it, is not Gods kingdom. This wretched place is called death. And Jesus was born into this world to take us out of here. He is the door which leads upward.

"For the Son of Man clothed himself with their first-fruits; he went down to Hades and performed many mighty works. He raised the dead therein; and the world-rulers of darkness became envious of him, for they did not find sin in him. But he also destroyed their works from among men, so that the lame, the blind, the paralytic, the dumb, (and) the demon-possessed were granted healing".--testimony of truth
 
Sorry, this bit is just gibberish.
Quote:If you can agree that there are visible and invisible things in the world, and that there are visible and invisible things in us, why then is it a stretch of the imagination to believe in something similar known as God?
I can demonstrate that this position is false therefore it's an irrational stretch of the imagination to believe in this definition of god.
Quote: I believe in Him, not out of fear, or a need to believe in signs, but out of genuine truth.
His words are life. For many years, I did not get that. I always believed that a God exists, but He was so far removed from me as the moon. I would try to read the bible and it was a closed book to me, no different then reading the dictionary. Just words and parables I did not understand. Then the veil was removed. And it was not removed because my imagination decided to fool myself, because >He did not come so therefore I will make myself believe in something that's not really there<
No. Something in me truly broke. And by my own sheer determination, I was going to find the answers I had been seeking my whole life. And because I was filled, and because I believed and trusted Him, and accepted Him, I asked to truly know Him. He came to me. And words in the bible began to tie together, and come to life and fit, and I understood things that were closed off from me before. His words became life.
And I have greater faith in Him because He is invisible. I do not need to see Him, to believe. I have lesser faith in that which is visible, because those things are dying and temporary. This existence is temporary. Time is temporary and one day you and I won't be in this place anymore and where we will go, only God knows.
But ask yourself this; while you have the opportunity to find Him and ask Him to help you, is there any part of you willing to do that? or is choosing to become ash and dust the better choice?
And this is all preaching and actually a great demonstration of the OP. Do you have anything of substance to add?
Sum ergo sum
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Messages In This Thread
Christians choose delusion - by Silver - April 27, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Cyberman - April 27, 2014 at 6:05 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Minimalist - April 27, 2014 at 10:41 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Chad32 - April 27, 2014 at 6:21 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by SteelCurtain - April 27, 2014 at 6:31 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by KUSA - April 27, 2014 at 6:35 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by The Valkyrie - April 27, 2014 at 6:55 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Chad32 - April 27, 2014 at 7:04 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Silver - April 27, 2014 at 7:00 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by fr0d0 - April 27, 2014 at 7:52 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Silver - April 27, 2014 at 7:54 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Esquilax - April 27, 2014 at 8:19 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Chad32 - April 27, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by BlackMason - May 14, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Chad32 - May 14, 2014 at 3:06 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Mister Agenda - May 14, 2014 at 3:42 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Bob Kelso - April 28, 2014 at 5:50 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Mister Agenda - May 14, 2014 at 2:20 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Bronwynn - April 27, 2014 at 10:36 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Silver - April 27, 2014 at 10:51 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by The Valkyrie - April 27, 2014 at 11:58 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Losty - May 14, 2014 at 1:41 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Chad32 - April 27, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Cyberman - April 27, 2014 at 10:43 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Bronwynn - April 27, 2014 at 11:54 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Silver - April 28, 2014 at 12:08 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Chad32 - April 28, 2014 at 12:17 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Esquilax - April 28, 2014 at 12:43 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by BlackSwordsman - April 30, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Cyberman - April 27, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Cyberman - April 28, 2014 at 12:00 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by DarkHorse - April 28, 2014 at 8:48 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Esquilax - April 28, 2014 at 8:51 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Neo-Scholastic - May 2, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Esquilax - May 2, 2014 at 1:18 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by DarkHorse - May 2, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Phatt Matt s - April 28, 2014 at 8:51 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Chad32 - April 28, 2014 at 9:03 am
Christians choose delusion - by Rampant.A.I. - April 28, 2014 at 10:30 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Bronwynn - April 30, 2014 at 7:20 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Silver - April 30, 2014 at 7:35 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Confused Ape - April 30, 2014 at 8:18 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Cyberman - April 30, 2014 at 10:06 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by coldwx - April 30, 2014 at 10:55 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Ben Davis - April 30, 2014 at 11:20 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Fidel_Castronaut - May 2, 2014 at 11:53 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by NoraBrimstone - April 30, 2014 at 7:23 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Esquilax - April 30, 2014 at 10:48 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Bronwynn - May 1, 2014 at 10:25 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Ravenshire - May 1, 2014 at 11:31 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Esquilax - May 2, 2014 at 12:16 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Confused Ape - May 2, 2014 at 4:51 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Ben Davis - May 2, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Cyberman - May 4, 2014 at 11:28 am
Christians choose delusion - by Rampant.A.I. - May 1, 2014 at 10:44 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Chad32 - May 1, 2014 at 10:48 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by fr0d0 - May 2, 2014 at 3:51 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Chad32 - May 2, 2014 at 1:00 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by truthBtold - May 1, 2014 at 11:35 pm
Christians choose delusion - by Rampant.A.I. - May 2, 2014 at 10:55 am
Christians choose delusion - by Rampant.A.I. - May 2, 2014 at 1:13 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by iThinkImSmart - May 8, 2014 at 12:30 am
Christians choose delusion - by Rampant.A.I. - May 8, 2014 at 12:37 am
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Minimalist - May 14, 2014 at 2:18 pm
RE: Christians choose delusion - by Chad32 - May 14, 2014 at 4:03 pm

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