Atheists life motive

[Freedom of thought]

There was a quite interesting "pro God" argument from Craig, which I will start as a new topic about, since I would love to hear your opinions about this.

If it was Kalam, be prepared to hear a lot of angry voices, because that argument is balls.

Jesus fucking Christ (sorry for taking your favorite person's name in vein WLC), not the kalam argument! It's outdated pseudo-logic dressed as if it's "unquestionable metaphysically true". I love when WLC staw mans opponents that deny that things coming into existence requires causes, by saying "well, why don't things like Beethoven just pop into existence from nothing then?". On one hand he says "the quantum vacuum is not nothing!" then on the other hand he says "why aren't things popping into existence from nothing all the time then?" completely forgetting he previously pointed out there isn't 'nothing' in the universe. We do have evidence of things coming into existence uncaused, if that's nothing is up for debate. Regardless if he accepts this or not, we have that evidence for this and thus are free to accept things can come into existence uncaused through quantum events. The reason why Beethoven doesn't pop into existence uncaused is because that is highly improbable through a quantum event, it's far more probable based of the scientific models that universes can exist uncaused (both coming into existence and existing eternally in the past). Beethoven or Boltzmann brains are both almost impossible to occur on these models. If you want to get WLC destroyed on these points, watch the debate with Sean Carroll. Carroll destroys his layman interpretation of the BGV theorem, which doesn't prove a beginning, only our current theories of space time breaks down at a certain point. And WLC grasps at straws on Carrol's diagram of an eternal universe, saying that in the middle it had a beginning, but that was false. I think this was the last intellectual gasp of theism to be honest.