(May 5, 2014 at 8:03 am)Godslayer Wrote: A binary question has a correct answer. Does it not depend where the evidences lies. If the evidence lies with vaccines being a mostly good thing, then it's good to take a positive position on it. End of story.It's not a binary question. Medicine affects different people differently - for me, for instance, penicillin is a great drug and works well. For others it does not.
You can't just lump every single drug together and then say they're all equal. There are pharmaceuticals that have been recalled, there are drugs that are legal in some countries and totally illegal in Australia. It's no different for vaccines - just because some/many/most are great doesn't mean that all are, and in fact some have been recalled in recent years proving that not all are safe.
Quote:There is no but, that is all you need to know.Bullshit.
The default scientific position is scepticism.
Quote:Let's just pretend I'm conceded the harm aspect. What's the ratio of good vs. harm in vaccines then? if you're seriously going to bring such rare occasions.Irrelevant because you're comparing the vaccines that are tested and proven already with new ones that are not. That's like comparing penicillin to some other fungus you've just discovered and just put onto the market with only 6 months of testing - not 6 years, and not the length of time we've had the existing drug.
Quote:Again, how often do recalls happen to how often the vaccines work?...Would you take a recalled vaccination after it's been recalled? If not, then why would you want to take it before it's recalled?? Ignorance is bliss.
Quote:You and my mom would definitely get along. Complete horseshit, Vaccines have never been better and continue to get better.I don't take the position your mother takes, in case you didn't notice.
Quote:Could you really name a vaccine you would refuse your child, this should be good...Not off-hand, no.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke