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So U think Vegan is healthy?
RE: So U think Vegan is healthy?
(May 9, 2014 at 6:46 pm)BlackSwordsman Wrote: That is interesting but I beg the question as to what other factors are happening here. There is a Cardiologist whom is 98, been vegan 70+ years with zero medical conditions who swears by the diet. There is also a 110? year old woman who is also vegan.
Right, so you have isolated examples.
Quote:I don't know too many details but I did find:

Also I dug a bit further and found she isn't a nutritionist, she is a health coach.
Right, a qualified health coach, unlike 30 Bananas a Day and the author of the blog article above which are examples of people unqualified to give health advice.
Quote:But to be honest I don't buy into the dogma of Vegan long term being unhealthy, mainly because in my medical observance I have found it to be too much the opposite.
And yet you provide a blog article titled "Alex Jamieson was never vegan in the first place"? Who is "Ed Coffin" to say such a thing?
  • These people and most of their followers are not vegan and never were. They probably ate their oil-free, sugar-free, plant-based salads while online shopping for leather shoes and buying tickets to take their kids to the circus. We need to start calling these people out before they ever even get a chance to be "ex-vegan."

    She says herself, "I believe you can love and care about animal welfare and still consume them." That's missing the WHOLE point of veganism! Clearly, this woman was NEVER vegan and what makes it even more annoying is that she spends most of her letter blaming actual vegans for being "purist" or "attacking." This is typical defensive behavior -- direct the blame on someone else.
I already said I was dumbfounded by this approach by vegans to claim that "this person was never vegan in the first place", and defending it isn't a great idea.

The author of the blog you provided believes that vegans must not wear fur or leather (or wool or silk) and must have a coconscious moral objection to the consumption of animals by humans. Anyone who doesn't fit that criteria, according to him, "isn't a real vegan".

He uses labels because he thinks of himself as better than other people. Let's say, that he would at least agree that Jamieson was a vegetarian - right? And we know that, in the US anyway, about 3/4 of vegetarians return to eating meat with the average length of time spent being vegetarian being 9 years. Now his claim that the 75% is only relevant to vegetarians and not to vegans I'm afraid is not right - I found at least one vegan who said in a speech that she believes the number for vegans is "probably higher" than the number for vegetarians (I'm not re-searching for the video right now though, sorry). I can't remember her exact reasoning, but one thing we do know is many people go from vegan to vegetarian and back - one example being Natalie Portman.

Now my perspective is that people need to be more concerned with their own health as a moral issue than with the food they consume. I'm not saying that there aren't moral issues with food as well, but that your own wellbeing is a higher moral priority - it trumps other morals. That's why, for instance, in extreme cases people will even resort to cannibalism to survive.
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So U think Vegan is healthy? - by Aractus - April 4, 2014 at 5:03 am
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