So U think Vegan is healthy?

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That is true, although some people a lot actually go vegan and do honestly avoid all animal products outside of the realm of foods. It is no surprise. I did a random google Article search on Alex. I half assed my effort towards that, purposely actually but I am sorry for the lack of depth on my part.

Well yes, a lot of "ethical" vegans avoid all animal products, but doesn't give them the exclusive right to use the word "vegan", they're actually a newer hack of vegan than those who go vegan for health reasons like say Bill Clinton. The ethical vegans are happy to use people like Clinton for their own message, but as soon as one of them is an ex-vegan suddenly they were "never vegan"?

Isolated examples, not really there are quite a few more, Neal Barnard, M.D. is a good source of information on it from a more medical perspective.

It's isolated because you have no examples anywhere of a society - a whole village or something that has thrived for generations on a vegan diet. There are some examples of vegetarian diets (SDA etc), but there are no such examples anywhere of vegan diets.

We do not fully understand the long-term health effects of veganism. Freelee of "30 Bananas a Day" takes intravenous B12 - all the while still claiming that there are no deficiencies in a "proper" 80-10-10 vegan diet. That in itself is an admission that B12 oral absorption is known to be reduced for vegans - even though I've not seen hard data that proves it, it's been the experience of many ex-vegans.

But it's not necessarily isolated to B12, if your diet can reduce the absorption of certain vitamins and minerals then it's a pretty clear sign that you need to approach such diets with scepticism and due caution. Veganism is an experiment - it may be good for some people, but it may be bad for others. It may be good for some people short or medium term, but bad long term for those same people.

Veganism is not as rare as one might assume at first glance.

It's rare in the sense that you have no examples anywhere of there ever being a society that thrived on a vegan diet - yet we have all kinds of different diets that humans have thrived on for centuries and millennia, all ranging from eating different kinds of fruits, vegetables, grains, meats, fish and in different quantities etc.

There's really no one diet that is "right for everyone".

I feel like screaming (not out of anger but of frustration) see the problem with america is it leads the polls in Obesity, False dietary information, lack of dietary education, and as a German I have to point out the average joe is not all too bright. (figuratively speaking)

I feel like pointing out that I know of some American statistics that I do not know the numbers for elsewhere, if there are any at all. My argument certainly is not America-based, the vegan argument is truly global and I mean we need to think in terms of: Europeans, Anglo-Saxons, South-East Asians, Indians, Africans, Caribbeans, etc. The diet of the average European is probably not the right diet for the average Indian and vice-versa.

I tell clients all the time, get your information anywhere BUT america.

Why should it matter where information comes from?

The other thing to consider is Vegans are extremely health conscious or at least "real vegans" are (those whom have been for many many years).

False: some are extremely health conscious, and some are not.