So U think Vegan is healthy?

[BlackSwordsman]

That is true, although some people a lot actually go vegan and do honestly avoid all animal products outside of the realm of foods. It is no surprise. I did a random google Article search on Alex. I half assed my effort towards that, purposely actually but I am sorry for the lack of depth on my part.

Well yes, a lot of "ethical" vegans avoid all animal products, but doesn't give them the exclusive right to use the word "vegan", they're actually a newer hack of vegan than those who go vegan for health reasons like say Bill Clinton. The ethical vegans are happy to use people like Clinton for their own message, but as soon as one of them is an ex-vegan suddenly they were "never vegan"?

Isolated examples, not really there are quite a few more, Neal Barnard, M.D. is a good source of information on it from a more medical perspective.

It's isolated because you have no examples anywhere of a society - a whole village or something that has thrived for generations on a vegan diet. There are some examples of vegetarian diets (SDA etc), but there are no such examples anywhere of vegan diets.

We do not fully understand the long-term health effects of veganism. Freelee of "30 Bananas a Day" takes intravenous B12 - all the while still claiming that there are no deficiencies in a "proper" 80-10-10 vegan diet. That in itself is an admission that B12 oral absorption is known to be reduced for vegans - even though I've not seen hard data that proves it, it's been the experience of many ex-vegans.

But it's not necessarily isolated to B12, if your diet can reduce the absorption of certain vitamins and minerals then it's a pretty clear sign that you need to approach such diets with scepticism and due caution. Veganism is an experiment - it may be good for some people, but it may be bad for others. It may be good for some people short or medium term, but bad long term for those same people.

Veganism is not as rare as one might assume at first glance.

It's rare in the sense that you have no examples anywhere of there ever being a society that thrived on a vegan diet - yet we have all kinds of different diets that humans have thrived on for centuries and millennia, all ranging from eating different kinds of fruits, vegetables, grains, meats, fish and in different quantities etc.

There's really no one diet that is "right for everyone".

I feel like screaming (not out of anger but of frustration) see the problem with america is it leads the polls in Obesity, False dietary information, lack of dietary education, and as a German I have to point out the average joe is not all too bright. (figuratively speaking)

I feel like pointing out that I know of some American statistics that I do not know the numbers for elsewhere, if there are any at all. My argument certainly is not America-based, the vegan argument is truly global and I mean we need to think in terms of: Europeans, Anglo-Saxons, South-East Asians, Indians, Africans, Caribbeans, etc. The diet of the average European is probably not the right diet for the average Indian and vice-versa.

I tell clients all the time, get your information anywhere BUT america.

Why should it matter where information comes from?

The other thing to consider is Vegans are extremely health conscious or at least "real vegans" are (those whom have been for many many years).

False: some are extremely health conscious, and some are not.

Dairy Industry: Hey joe we released a 5 thousand person study proving milk eliminates illness

Meat industry: Hey joe don't listen to the dairy guys meat is the healthy choice!

Egg industry: Yo they don't know what they are talking about

Christian: Our god is real, the bible is real, one and only

Muslim: Allah is the one true god

Buddhist: There is no god

Agnostic: Maybe there is maybe there isnt




To state such a ridiculous statement as "Why should it matter where information comes from" makes me wonder.

Information is influenced by the dominate backer of each source. In any matter.

I didn't know I had to do all the leg work for you. I am sorry. Do some of the work for me, look up countries whom diets are majorly Vegetarianism, you can argue all you want that there is a difference between Vegan and Vegetarianism but when it comes down to it, dairy. I know there are many classifications of each title.

I notice you have nothing to refernce as a back argument aside from Free Lee the Banana Girl whom I assume is who you are referencing, which by the way if you look at her BLOOD work she has been vegan over 7-years and her blood results are non-deficient. As released recently

A side note on the matter do you find it interesting that "we simply don't know the long term negative effects" of fruits and vegetables yet the "normal" dietary lifestyle meat, milk, etc. has well documented negative ill-effects in the long run.

For example:

data indicate that higher consumption of total red meat, especially various processed meats, may increase risk of developing type 2 diabetes

-American Diabetes Association

Or maybe

eating red meat delivers L-carnitine to bacteria that live in the human gut. These bacteria digest L-carnitine and turn it into a compound called trimethylamine-N-oxide (TMAO). In studies in mice, TMAO has been shown to cause atherosclerosis, the disease process that leads to cholesterol-clogged arteries. We know that clogged coronary arteries can lead to heart attacks.

-Nature Medicine / Harvard Medical University

United States Government says:

TMAO affects a major pathway for clearing cholesterol from the body, providing a potential mechanism for how TMAO might promote atherosclerosis.

These findings could help explain the elevated health risks associated with red meats.

-United States Government

A compound abundant in red meat and added as a supplement to popular energy drinks has been found to promote atherosclerosis -- or the hardening or clogging of the arteries.

-Science Daily

But those are biased right?

What does the other side say:

During food preparation, chewing, and digestion, the glucosinolates in cruciferous vegetables are broken down to form biologically active compounds such as indoles, nitriles, thiocyanates, and isothiocyanates (1). Indole-3-carbinol (an indole) and sulforaphane (an isothiocyanate) have been most frequently examined for their anticancer effects.

-National Cancer Institute

If nothing else I hope this is cause enough to at least credit my theory with a 'secondary look'.