Rely on God

[Godscreated]

---

I've personally seen the results of these two organizations, but most here believe me to be a liar so they want accept this. No one has ever shown I've ever lied to them though, funny how one can be called a liar without proof. The site I posted was by Teen Challenge but, the study was an independent one and if you go and look at the sites that criticize them and you will see that they show success rates much higher than the secular organizations. The biggest thing wrong with the secular organizations is money, they deal with insurance companies and with most if you do not have the money for the program you do not get in. The biggest grip I have with them is they have 30 to 90 day stays, not enough time, just not enough, addictions generally are years in the making and it takes time to battle time. Don't just doubt what I say, if you're interested in tearing down this organization do research, if you are interested in it's success do research.

GC

---

The file you linked to shows that the studies, in general, were mainly based on self-report.

The first study made use of self-report and urinalysis tests. However, it seems urinalysis tests could be passed with relative ease even if one does drugs.

Agreed the report came from Teen Challenge, however the study they reported was an independent study. It was done to test the validity of Teen Challenges claim.

The rest are purely based on self-report.

In addition, I have not seen a study from you showing that secular organizations pale in comparison to Christian ones with regards to treating drug addiction.

Furthermore, I'm skeptical that any of the studies in the file are independent.

If my skepticism offends you, my bad. But properly conducted experiments are what make me relatively confident of any cause and effect claim. And especially if they are published in legit and relevant journals.

If you have skepticism why don't you go to the sites that are critical of Teen Challenge and see what percentages they report, you know I can't for the life of me believe that people would reject such a good program that has helped so many because it's Christian based. To let loved ones suffer the fate of addictions because a program is Christian based is beyond my understanding. Believe me I've seen this several times with people I've tried to get help for, it makes me wonder if these family members really know what love is, they just stay in a state of denial till their children are in jail or the morgue and it's a real shame. I get nothing out of it except knowing someone may kick an addiction, I even offer to take them to the Teen Challenge program, and have done so. By the way if you want to know the success rate of secular programs go back and read the link I posted, that percentage came from an outside party, not Teen Challenge.

GC