(December 18, 2008 at 2:16 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: I didn't stop you at awareness raising, did I? Does awareness raising require shutting people out from the possibility to take part in debate? Of course not. The awareness raising is done in direct confrontation that is plain to see for all passers by. The conscious raising done now is that the site is being suspect of shutting out believers for the content of their argument. And that indeed is fairly common practice on theistic sites. Not a practice I'd expect on a free thinking community.Well my point is that Daystar did a lot more harm than good in the end. He was a trouble maker. And its NOT like he admitted he didn't have evidence! That would be fine! Indeed! The problem was he pretended to have evidence while simultaneously refusing to give any.
There are, I think, reasons of shutting out though: when personal attacks become dominant and potentially damaging to other participants (not the case here I believe, there have been strong personal attacks from both sides) and taking on multiple identities on the forum (which IS the case here).
But the main problem was the arrogance and flaming of course! But they were often expressed in his arguments where he digressed, wasted time and kept pretending he had evidence but never gave any.
And then when he went undercover as that other guy, what he did then was sick.
Futhermore, once I was having a discussion with him and in the end he basically said "Yeah, I know you're right about this really, I was just trying to annoy you".
Pity he failed, I told him. He didn't annoy me. But he was certainly petty and wasted my time.
What's the point of being on a forum if all you do is disrupt the discussion and waste people's time if you get impatient and fed up with discussing with them. Because they won't do it your way?
Why would just plain disruption and annoyance be any good? Freedom of speech doesn't mean say whatever the f**k you like and in whatever way you want of course.
P.S: Oh, just so you know PR, I'm not against you. I'm just discussing with you.
I think you're a great debater. I respect your opinion and the point your makes are great - and straight to the point. I just don't agree with them all.
And the thing is - I wasn't even against Daystar himself its his behavior and arrogance I was against. And his trouble making and disruption. All which tend to be expressed through his arguments.