(December 18, 2008 at 11:03 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: I hate the notion of absolute certainty. It's completely useless. There's always room for doubt no matter how infinitesimal. I think understanding things can't be absolutely certain but at least certain to an almost absolute degree allows for people to have a meaningful conversation. People like Daystar who claim absolute certainty of a book based on hearsay is not worth my time.I agree. It is argued that the only absolutely proven things are mathematics like 2+2=4.
But I've argued that how can we be 100% absolutely sure that we're not in a computer simulation that works by completely different laws of mathematics or some really weird equivalent to mathetmatics? Could we simply say: That's 100% impossible because we can only conceive of one type of mathematics. And/or because we can't conceive of a universe without numbers. Thats absurd" - could we 100% for absolutely 100% certain for sure? Lol. Could we 100% KNOW that absolutely I mean? Rather.
Indeed it is totally absurd. But can we 100% know that this is not possible simply because us higher-apes can not conceive of how such an idea would be possible?
I'm not sure. I'm very open lol. It seems 100% ridiculous.
But what if you buy into infinite universes and infinite parallel univeres and 11 (or possibly more undiscovered) dimensons etc?
Then could we still say this for 100% certain? Absolutely? And 100% KNOW this?
I'm not 100% absolutely sure about that. Nope. I'd like to hear a response by those who hold different views. I wonder if anyone agrees that its possible that even mathematics can't be 100% absolutely known for certain (as far as we know, lol).
I've met people who are de-facto (and never absolutest) on EVERYTHING except matematics. They 100% KNOW that absolutely for certain there is only one mathematics and no alternatives even including (or at least considering) infinite universes, other dimensions, parallel universes and a multiverse.
I'm not 100% absolute on this. I dont claim to know even this for certain.
Mathematics is probably proven more than anything else! Maybe even as much or more than the fact I believe myself exists.
But I do not worship that mathematics can be known above everything else to be the only way. I dunno. I'm VERY open minded I just try to always reject claims without evidence. To reject bullshit. I hope I'm not TOO open minded. As Dawkins says: Some people are so open minded their brains drop out.
Once again: I don't know absolutely about this. I don't think
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