RE: what are we supposed to say again when christians ask us where we get our morality?
June 21, 2014 at 1:48 pm
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2014 at 1:50 pm by Mudhammam.)
(June 16, 2014 at 7:13 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I do not have to support the claim that morality cannot exist without God any more than I have to support the claim that pigs cannot naturally fly.Yeah... except that no one disputes if pigs can fly because "pigs" and "fly" actually have meaning, and describe actual observations in the real world. "Morality cannot exist without God" means nothing because a) you don't appear to understand what morality describes and b) nobody understands what God means.
Quote:Tell us how a system of morality can exist in a purely material Universe; I am still waiting for you to support your claim that it is possible. Tell me how a pig can naturally fly.Have you ever read a book outside of the ones disseminated in your bullshit religion? Human beings live on a continuum of experiences, physical and mental, that involve states that be objectively evaluated and clearly defined. We do it with health, we can do it with general happiness, security, freedom, etc. This is pretty basic stuff in moral philosophy.
Quote:…and you have already been told that this is a descriptive observation of behavior, since it is descriptive in nature it cannot be used to derive a normative system of behavior which is what morality is; so you fail. Can you explain how morality can exist in a purely material universe in a manner that is not illogical?What a load of crap. A sensible moral system is always descriptive of states in nature. You shouldn't lie. Why? Because of what your God says? No. Because it "needlessly complicates people’s lives, destroys reputations, and undermines trust," to borrow from Sam Harris. Why defend democracy over tyranny as a morally superior system of government? Because your God says so? Well, obviously, not. Tell me your moral positions in which human beings needlessly suffer. Oh, you don't have any? Gee, I wonder why? You, you do? Well, then stay the fuck away from me.
Quote:No, I am saying that in a purely material universe it is impossible to define any act as good or evil.How dumb must one be to think this way? Is it impossible to define "red" and "up" too?
Quote:Your argument above supports this beautifully since it can be used to define any evolved act as morally good.You really have no clue what people mean by morality, do you?
