what are we supposed to say again when christians ask us where we get our morality?

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And does the law or being shamed come from religion? The law is secular. so is social shame.

Lol. The people with the power to create laws or shame people to millions are incredibly influenced by religious interests. Just look up some recent history or stalk your local freemason. God save the Queen, God bless America...

Only a psychopath/sociopath or the like would think that way. So this does not apply to most atheists or most people for that matter.

Best be careful then, Mr. Irrational, eh...

Doesn't matter what the reason is (at least practically speaking). People are subconsciously conditioned to see killing, in most cases, to be wrong regardless.

Exactly... and most of that subconscious through the years has come down from people in power, be it the Roman empire and the Vatican, the British empire, or the forefathers of America. Thou shalt not kill...

Christian torture of heretics

Of course the priests and politicians preach one thing to the masses, and do others. It is part of the control. Also part of the reason why people will have no problem labelling me a psychopath on a relatively anonymous Internet forum, despite never killing or lying to anyone here, whereas the likes of Obama who has actually killed thousands of people and lied to billions... no problem, because the law is perceived as secular. Lmao.

There's a word to describe people who can't think of reasons not to murder besides potential consequences: psychopaths.

What are your reasons not to murder? How are they not potentially consequential?