RE: Disproving the Bible
July 7, 2014 at 12:42 pm
(This post was last modified: July 7, 2014 at 12:43 pm by Dystopia.)
(July 7, 2014 at 12:33 pm)Baqal Wrote: @SteveIIWe describe something as a miracle when we can't explain it. Let's go back in time and imagine earth 200 or 300 years ago - Something that is today perfectly explained and most common citizens understand, was at that time a mystery, there was no explanation, so people attributed the cause to god and miracles, the example I usually give was when in the middle ages people think it was god's intervention when someone got better from a fever. Science has been progressively explaining events that we didn't know how to explain previously and will positively continue to do so the more progress mankind makes, and with this advancement, less events will be considered miracles.
-Then your definition of miracles is not the same as mine. Please explain
Gladly. Under my definition, miracles are a rare phenomena that people apply to the intervention of something supernatural (in most cases, a god). The reason for why I think miracles don't need to be necessarily applied to a divinity is because none has been observed by researchers. Why? Because the people that believe in the miracle will call the analysis done by these researchers blasphemy. That is why I'm skeptical about it. Are they really up to protect a miracle from violation, or are they preventing scientists to discover that their miracle is a fraud?
When something like a 'miracle' happens two possible hypothesis are possible in my view:
1 - Either there is no current explanation but there will be one in the future
2 - There is really not an explanation. In this case, we could use the god argument, however even this conclusion can be dismissed, a miracle could happen out of randomness or out of the power of human mind, it could happen by any factor and not necessarily god. This is what annoys me with a lot of theists, when they hear about a miracle or non explained event they automatically label it as 'god's work' precociously without considering there could be possible explanations for the phenomenon.
I'm not saying a miracle without any explanation is impossible, but most likely it wasn't caused by god, it would make more sense to me to believe they were caused by the universe's laws or out of complete randomness since these cases are rare and isolated, therefore they don't prove anything.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you