Disproving the Bible

[FatAndFaithless]

So Steve, at this point I have to ask: are you just looking for things that'll disprove evolution, or are you looking to study the facts irrespective of where they lead?

Because it certainly seems like you're just dashing for the former because it's what you already believe. It's getting embarrassing.

I have been told my whole life that evolution is not true and is filled with holes. I have read books that poke at these holes. I can find hundreds if not thousands of articles that poke at these holes. I read that scientist know there are holes and either ignore them because their belief is so strong that they figure we will eventually figure it out or they are not going to question the establishment because they will look bad at one end of the spectrum or even damage their careers on the other end. I hear that intelligent design is gaining momentum.

The bias of naturalism is a huge concern of mine. For example, no matter what science discovers, you will never ever believe in a theory that has God as part of the equation. They have no alternative than to believe in evolution. How many scientist would fit that description?

On the other side, you have thousands of Christian scientist (in every applicable field) that say evolution does not fit the facts.

So who am I to believe? Those that say that God had a hand in things or those who won't consider that option?

Alright, ignoring the fact that you still haven't responded to two of my earlier posts regarding two topics, your statements are still complete crap. The biggest problem is in your very first sentence, that you were 'raised to believe' that evolution is false. At least you stated that part clearly and honestly. It's no surprise you were furnished with books by your community that support your pre-drawn conclusion that evolution is false. And no, the intelligent design (read: Creationist) movement is not gaining momentum. The idiocy that is creationism is not only denied by any peer-reviewed and respected scientist, it's also not accepted by a huge portion of your fellow Christians, who do accept evolution. The God concept does not enter into any scientific theory because it's unproven, ill-defined, and uncessary.

And again, to respond to your last cheap point, "thousands" of "Christian Scientists" (which is a horse shit term, since scientific fact is independent of creed or faith or philosophy) is a laughably paltry number if it were a valid argument at all. Argumentum ad populum is a fallacy on its own, but argumentum ad populum with the 'populum' part being thousands of pseudoscientist a priori loons is even worse. Ever heard of "Project Steve"? It was a tongue-in-cheek initiative by the Center for Science Education in response to claims like yours that there are 'thousands of scientists' that don't accept evolution and that the creationist movement was gaining momentum. They accumulated more scientists that are just named Steve that support evolution than any group of creationists could gather in total.

Seriously man, get out of the a priori dogma box.