Free will may or may not exist with or without determinism. If the universe is indeterministic then how does that give you any more freedom than if it's determined? Randomness isn't free control ("free will") at all. With or without determinism I personally see no reason to believe in free will, but that's because I'm an incompatiblist, I use the definition of free will that's incompatible with determinism and such a definition I find too ridiculous to believe in.
There is also a compatabilist definition. This is a definition of free will that is compatible with determinism - so yes, the thread title is a false dictotomy too if you count the compatiabilists into the argument. I personally don't bother with a compatabilist definition of "free will" because such a definition is so loose and weak I find it both meaningless and misleading. I'd rather just say I don't believe in free will.
EvF
There is also a compatabilist definition. This is a definition of free will that is compatible with determinism - so yes, the thread title is a false dictotomy too if you count the compatiabilists into the argument. I personally don't bother with a compatabilist definition of "free will" because such a definition is so loose and weak I find it both meaningless and misleading. I'd rather just say I don't believe in free will.
EvF
