Abortion dialogue I've been having...

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I'm sorry I missed this. I saw a post on aristophrenium a while back and wanted someone to get involved. I've always been pro choice... but this is making me consider it. No bad thing I think (considering any argument I mean, not leaning either way).

Yeah I don't think humans are so special. Taking any life sorta raises moral questions if we like them or not. Leo posted an excellent Dawkins video interview with Peter Singer a while back ... http://atheistforums.org/thread-1320.html @ 6:07 minutes on the 2nd video (I love that blokes ideas)

Perhaps... but why should it raise any more moral questions than moving my left toenail with the pinky finger of my left hand?

Murder of course it isn't - in secular law. In perfect moral law? dunno.

I consider it a great stretch to call killing a living, breathing human baby so much as murder any more... the alternative would be to consider killing just about any adult animal as murder (lest we draw a double standard simply because of species)... and I happen to enjoy eating my fellow adult animals on the occasion.

To me, I don't give a rats ass at what stage it's killing. We know damn well it's terminating the life from the beginning. The question of knowing it's there or not is immaterial surely. Our intention is all that matters, and all we can know if nothing happens/ is produced surely?

I agree to a large extent Intention is the larger portion by which we should judge actions, after all.

Reasoning is sacrosanct here. Good reason = good reason. Some poor fukker has to live with it. Counselling should be compulsory. It must be hell to live with anyway.

I agree.