RE: Death Penalty
July 16, 2014 at 5:22 pm
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2014 at 5:24 pm by Dystopia.)
I know this is an old thread but I'll give my opinion on the death penalty since it looks like some members were on fire discussing it.
I'm against it, because:
1 - No evidence that it deters or reduces crime rates, so it's useless from a criminal perspective since it doesn't fulfill the reduction of crime feature of criminal law
2 - It costs more than like in jail if we're talking about a first world country. And before you come with the argument of 'we could just lower the cost' make sure you present a proposal saying where and how much your state should reduce. Of course in China and North Korea it must not be cheap, but I don't want to live in a country like those
3 - The death penalty gives power to the state, it should be banned simply to ensure the state doesn't remember to use it one day as a weapon of repression and persecution, it's just a safety measure
4 - Innocent people get sentenced
5 - Moreover, we could say a person being sentenced or not to death can depend on random factors such as the defense lawyer being good or the accusation being bad, or even the judge's predisposition, it is not reliable and certain
6 - It violates basic human rights (right to live), if murder is a crime the state shouldn't be doing, the death penalty equals murder only being done by public power instead of being committed by individuals. It's unethical
7 - Before anyone dares using the argument of 'think it was your relative', think twice because it is an appeal to emotion fallacy. B sides, even if it isn't, that argument is wrong and frustrating by nature since the victim's family doesn't get to decide anything on the sentence, the criminal system is there for society, not to compensate the victim, after all the crime has been committed and there's no way to go back in time. Even if someone murdered my relatives, I'd say the following - Yes I'd want the person dead, however that's a thirst for revenge, it's not rational at all, and if that happened, I'd kill the person myself and assume the guilt for my crime, it's honest and I would refuse to ask the system to fulfill my revenge needs on the name of pseudo-justice. It is a frustrating fallacy to think the sentence is to avenge or make justice for the victim - It isn't, courts are impartial by nature and don't give a shit about the victim's wishes, if the victim wants a 40 year sentence but the judge thinks 20 years is more useful for society, then 20 years it is
I'm against it, because:
1 - No evidence that it deters or reduces crime rates, so it's useless from a criminal perspective since it doesn't fulfill the reduction of crime feature of criminal law
2 - It costs more than like in jail if we're talking about a first world country. And before you come with the argument of 'we could just lower the cost' make sure you present a proposal saying where and how much your state should reduce. Of course in China and North Korea it must not be cheap, but I don't want to live in a country like those
3 - The death penalty gives power to the state, it should be banned simply to ensure the state doesn't remember to use it one day as a weapon of repression and persecution, it's just a safety measure
4 - Innocent people get sentenced
5 - Moreover, we could say a person being sentenced or not to death can depend on random factors such as the defense lawyer being good or the accusation being bad, or even the judge's predisposition, it is not reliable and certain
6 - It violates basic human rights (right to live), if murder is a crime the state shouldn't be doing, the death penalty equals murder only being done by public power instead of being committed by individuals. It's unethical
7 - Before anyone dares using the argument of 'think it was your relative', think twice because it is an appeal to emotion fallacy. B sides, even if it isn't, that argument is wrong and frustrating by nature since the victim's family doesn't get to decide anything on the sentence, the criminal system is there for society, not to compensate the victim, after all the crime has been committed and there's no way to go back in time. Even if someone murdered my relatives, I'd say the following - Yes I'd want the person dead, however that's a thirst for revenge, it's not rational at all, and if that happened, I'd kill the person myself and assume the guilt for my crime, it's honest and I would refuse to ask the system to fulfill my revenge needs on the name of pseudo-justice. It is a frustrating fallacy to think the sentence is to avenge or make justice for the victim - It isn't, courts are impartial by nature and don't give a shit about the victim's wishes, if the victim wants a 40 year sentence but the judge thinks 20 years is more useful for society, then 20 years it is
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