RE: The redneck strike again.
July 16, 2014 at 7:28 pm
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2014 at 8:30 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
LOL, Benny, calm down.....looks to be a quote tag issue(the embedded riketto quote tag probably should have tipped you off...sigh).
Don't forget corn Natachan. It's in everything, after all.
On item 1, agreed, not sure how a "soul" crept it's way in here, it's uneccessary to either side of that POV. I don't advocate for the suffering of animals any more than you do. I think that it's extremely tiresome to have to explain this to every vegetarian who rides in on a high horse with their moral arguments.
On Item 2, I disagree, but only partly. There is no such thing as unnecessary food production until there are no human beings going hungry. Agriculture -itself- is a global environmental issue, regardless of what you choose to eat. Integrated ag (that is, livestock feeding veggies feeding livestock) does offer a way to minimize this damage, but the current economic situation prevents it from becoming the norm (and you wouldn't sign on for it anyway, amiright?). Overconsumption is overconsumption, whether it's the beef or the beans. Your comment about waste making you feel icky as part of any justification is mystifying. Maybe you should become a breatharian? If waste puts you off meat it ought to put you off veggies to, but it doesn't. I know, I know, a mans gotta eat. In any case, even if americans cut back on consumption that wouldn't actually get any more food to starving mouths. Fortunately, we -could- all have plenty to eat, more than we need, it's just not in the cards at present, slaved to the market as it is. If american dietary habits were a driving force, rather than an effect, then perhaps we'd be on to something - but they aren't. Americans consume what has become available due to half a century's worth of breathroughs in ag. Some of those benefits have spilled over to others, but not many - and that isn't the fault of the consumer. Interesting aside, producers actually have their nuts in a vice trying to sell "more food" to anyone. We can only eat so much....so how do you sell a product that has an upper limit on consumption? How do you ensure financial growth for your firm in light of this? The guy who makes shiny plastic baubbles can sell as many as the market will consume (mountains and mountains of them..until the money runs out), not so for the man growing the food. Add to the mix that food is a perishable product and it starts to get really complicated.
You can get all the grass fed free range beef you want, try walmart. There are walmarts in regions that simply can't afford to engage in "gastronomic masturbation", so maybe you should get a ticket to one of those places and buy your beef at one of those walmarts? I don't think that it's availability, or the existence of such people will actually change your dietary habits, and I wouldn't argue that it should, or that you should - but I would argue that you shouldn't make a claim that is so transparently fatuous while pushing moral vegetarianism. That last bit applies to your entire post, btw. I appreciate that these are your reasons, but you really don;t need any other reason than that it makes you uncomfortable. If you -are- going to offer up reasons, then make them good ones, give your position the respect it deserves.
Don't forget corn Natachan. It's in everything, after all.
On item 1, agreed, not sure how a "soul" crept it's way in here, it's uneccessary to either side of that POV. I don't advocate for the suffering of animals any more than you do. I think that it's extremely tiresome to have to explain this to every vegetarian who rides in on a high horse with their moral arguments.
On Item 2, I disagree, but only partly. There is no such thing as unnecessary food production until there are no human beings going hungry. Agriculture -itself- is a global environmental issue, regardless of what you choose to eat. Integrated ag (that is, livestock feeding veggies feeding livestock) does offer a way to minimize this damage, but the current economic situation prevents it from becoming the norm (and you wouldn't sign on for it anyway, amiright?). Overconsumption is overconsumption, whether it's the beef or the beans. Your comment about waste making you feel icky as part of any justification is mystifying. Maybe you should become a breatharian? If waste puts you off meat it ought to put you off veggies to, but it doesn't. I know, I know, a mans gotta eat. In any case, even if americans cut back on consumption that wouldn't actually get any more food to starving mouths. Fortunately, we -could- all have plenty to eat, more than we need, it's just not in the cards at present, slaved to the market as it is. If american dietary habits were a driving force, rather than an effect, then perhaps we'd be on to something - but they aren't. Americans consume what has become available due to half a century's worth of breathroughs in ag. Some of those benefits have spilled over to others, but not many - and that isn't the fault of the consumer. Interesting aside, producers actually have their nuts in a vice trying to sell "more food" to anyone. We can only eat so much....so how do you sell a product that has an upper limit on consumption? How do you ensure financial growth for your firm in light of this? The guy who makes shiny plastic baubbles can sell as many as the market will consume (mountains and mountains of them..until the money runs out), not so for the man growing the food. Add to the mix that food is a perishable product and it starts to get really complicated.
You can get all the grass fed free range beef you want, try walmart. There are walmarts in regions that simply can't afford to engage in "gastronomic masturbation", so maybe you should get a ticket to one of those places and buy your beef at one of those walmarts? I don't think that it's availability, or the existence of such people will actually change your dietary habits, and I wouldn't argue that it should, or that you should - but I would argue that you shouldn't make a claim that is so transparently fatuous while pushing moral vegetarianism. That last bit applies to your entire post, btw. I appreciate that these are your reasons, but you really don;t need any other reason than that it makes you uncomfortable. If you -are- going to offer up reasons, then make them good ones, give your position the respect it deserves.
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