RE: Why I Don't Believe in Atheism
July 31, 2014 at 2:04 am
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2014 at 2:09 am by MJ the Skeptical.)
(July 30, 2014 at 10:44 pm)MPCADF Wrote: For me it is really simply why I don't believe in atheism, because the universe can't come from nothing, that is, non-existence, because that which does not exist can't cause anything, since it doesn't exist. We only have evidence of causation from 'something', no evidence to the contrary.
The universe did come from simple beginnings without a creator. If I wasn't so sure you'd dismiss the evidence, I would recommend that you read into Cosmology and Quantum Physics for the answer to these questions. So, if what you're saying is true then your god had to come from simple beginnings as well if all things need to have a creator. A complex being doesn't just pop into existence and neither do galaxies or universes. And this god is not exempt from infinite regress.
(July 30, 2014 at 10:44 pm)MPCADF Wrote: And I don't believe in atheism because the universe(s) could not have always existed because if it (they) had then by definition there would have been an be an infinite regress of cause and effects, so you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened. And self-contradictorily, you would never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity, thus never reaching this point of existence now.
The universe most certainly could have always existed, just not in it's current form. That's what you theists seem to not understand, that the universe can be eternal without a god story attached to it. If you apply Occam's razor to the universe then it's much more plausible that the universe itself is geared towards complexity without intervention but according to natural laws.
(July 30, 2014 at 10:44 pm)MPCADF Wrote: Therefore, by this evidential reasoning, I conclude nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is Whom I call God. Logical, since we know the uncreated Creator exist, it is incumbent upon us to find out where God reveals Himself personally. The initial caveat is that God is not self-contradictory so only one religion can be the correct one.
But nature doesn't need a cause outside itself, a god who creates all things needs a bigger explanation than nature. You clearly don't understand the finer points of nature because nature creates life from non-life all the time. What you're showing here like many theists do, is your lack of understanding of nature. Why do you get to add in your bullshit of "uncreated creator" that's just a cop out to avoid infinite regress. God claims further exasperate the problem, because they raise more questions. And if there is a god, it's not up to us to find that god. That's just ignorant if there is a god then it's up to them to reveal it ambiguously if hell is the ticket for non-belief of this god. If you have all 3 omni qualities you should have no problem making yourself ambiguous and showing your love in an ambiguous way. God is contradictory if it has all 3 omni qualities, I guess you haven't delved yourself deeply into these topics very much.
If the hypothetical idea of an afterlife means more to you than the objectively true reality we all share, then you deserve no respect.