(July 30, 2014 at 10:58 pm)MPCADF Wrote: You do believe in your lack of belief in God.Perhaps. But maybe I don't believe in my belief in my lack of belief in god. Or maybe it's lack of belief all the way down. Or maybe your comment there doesn't make sense.
Quote:I don't believe in 'a lack of belief in God' because that would be really stupid since the proof in the opening post proves having a lack of belief would be obviously wrong since nature proves the 'uncreated Creator' Whom we call God.There is no proof in the opening post. There is simply the common human assumption that we have learned all that there is to learn, and therefore any missing pieces must point to something outside of the natural world.
There was probably a time when lightning was proof of the "uncreated creator we call god." And disease was proof of evil spirits, which was proof of the supernatural, and would allow us to recognize god. And so on. Pointing at what we haven't learned as proof of god is not convincing after centuries of learning that the things we attributed to god or gods weren't caused by any such things.
We cannot even see to the outer edges of our universe, which means that if our universe is simply one of many universes bubbling in a massive cosmic 'soup' of universes that form and re-form every few trillion years, we wouldn't know it. But I guess since you cannot prove that our universe isn't part of a cosmic universe factory, I am fully justified in stating that it is the truth, and in expressing shock and dismay at your inability to comprehend such an obvious fact!
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould