(July 30, 2014 at 10:44 pm)MPCADF Wrote: For me it is really simply why I don't believe in atheism, because the universe can't come from nothing, that is, non-existence, because that which does not exist can't cause anything, since it doesn't exist. We only have evidence of causation from 'something', no evidence to the contrary.
Technically. atheism doesn't say this; it's just a lack of belief in gods. One could believe the universe was created by leprechauns and still be atheist. You're over-defining the term.
Also, I've never once heard an atheist say they believe "everything came from nothing". That's a theistic strawman argument.
(July 30, 2014 at 10:44 pm)MPCADF Wrote: And I don't believe in atheism because the universe(s) could not have always existed because if it (they) had then by definition there would have been an be an infinite regress of cause and effects, so you would have had an eternity to come into being before now, so you should have already happened. And self-contradictorily, you would never have existed because a past eternity would continue to go on for eternity, thus never reaching this point of existence now.
Therefore, by this evidential reasoning, I conclude nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. This uncreated Creator is Whom I call God. Logical, since we know the uncreated Creator exist, it is incumbent upon us to find out where God reveals Himself personally. The initial caveat is that God is not self-contradictory so only one religion can be the correct one.
Whoa! You just said that the universe couldn't have always existed because of infinite regression, then you just said you're fine with an "uncreated Creator"? What the crap!? Special pleading, much?
The obvious question to your assertion is "what caused God?" Next, you'll probably say he doesn't need a cause because he's "timeless" or "eternal", or something. So, your logic goes as follows:
1) Create a universal rule (everything has a cause) to require a prime mover.
2) Invoke God as that initial cause, despite the fact that he just violated your "necessary" rule from the last step.
3) Give God special qualities to make him immune to said rule.
Conclusion: You're perfectly fine believing in "timeless" or "eternal" entities to solve this "problem". How do you know the universe isn't timeless or eternal? The cosmological argument is presuppositional, and all it does is convince people who already assume God exists that they're right.