Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: February 27, 2025, 9:15 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Moral standards
#20
RE: Moral standards
(August 1, 2014 at 3:42 am)whateverist Wrote: Just think of all the scumbag Christian television personalities who have used money needed by old people barely getting by to buy gold plated bathroom fixtures. Or the ones who keep getting caught abusing drugs or having affairs with people in their own 'flock' or paying for a homosexual prostitute. God's commandments don't seem so very hard to disregard even for those who profess to embrace them as true believers. I wouldn't lose any sleep worrying about what atheists may do without this ineffectual device of yours.

You name acts done by Christians and seem to be labeling them as wrong, would it be different if an atheist was doing these things?

Or is the problem that Christians say things are wrong and then do them?

(August 1, 2014 at 3:50 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(August 1, 2014 at 3:29 am)GodsRevolt Wrote: Maximum benefit?

Morality is based on the largest amount of gain? Such as killing one man to save a thousand?

What about killing one baby to save two elderly yet healthy people?

I think I am a bit leery of the the idea of "benefit" in morality.

The largest amount of gain, within a set of general parameters. Life being preferable to death being the first among these, and please don't insult both our intelligence by asking me why life would be preferable to death in a system that values conscious entities.

The question isn't why life is preferable to death, but why the value on conscious entities, as you put it. Where does that value come from, because you seem to throw it in without much basis.

Is this the standard you present? To begin by maintaining life and then go from there down a hierarchy of values?

(August 1, 2014 at 3:58 am)Baqal Wrote: @GodsRevolt
-Person A wants to kill the human baby for food. Person B wants to wait.
What is the standard here?

You are bringing up these tough moral decision scenarios and think that you are making a point. If you think that your moral standard can handle them easily, then please explain what your moral standard is and what you would do if you were in charge of bringing a decision in these scenarios you keep mentioning.

You wait.
". . . let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist." -G. K. Chesterton
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 2:24 am
RE: Moral standards - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 2:46 am
RE: Moral standards - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 2:53 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 3:31 am
RE: Moral standards - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 3:38 am
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 1, 2014 at 3:42 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 3:58 am
RE: Moral standards - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 4:23 am
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 1, 2014 at 4:27 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 1, 2014 at 4:50 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Bad Wolf - August 1, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 4, 2014 at 5:08 am
RE: Moral standards - by Mudhammam - August 4, 2014 at 5:14 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 1, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 4, 2014 at 5:01 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 4, 2014 at 5:28 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 4, 2014 at 6:29 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 4, 2014 at 7:55 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 5, 2014 at 2:03 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 5, 2014 at 5:54 am
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 4, 2014 at 8:43 am
RE: Moral standards - by Cato - August 5, 2014 at 8:52 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 1, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: Moral standards - by downbeatplumb - August 2, 2014 at 9:40 am
RE: Moral standards - by Zen Badger - August 1, 2014 at 5:05 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 1, 2014 at 3:05 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 3:29 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 1, 2014 at 3:50 am
RE: Moral standards - by popeyespappy - August 2, 2014 at 7:03 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 4, 2014 at 5:28 am
RE: Moral standards - by Cato - August 4, 2014 at 5:52 am
RE: Moral standards - by Mudhammam - August 4, 2014 at 6:00 am
RE: Moral standards - by Simon Moon - August 5, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: Moral standards - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2014 at 2:37 am
RE: Moral standards - by Zen Badger - August 1, 2014 at 2:52 am
RE: Moral standards - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 1, 2014 at 3:29 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 3:36 am
RE: Moral standards - by Violet - August 1, 2014 at 3:43 am
RE: Moral standards - by Violet - August 1, 2014 at 3:34 am
RE: Moral standards - by ignoramus - August 1, 2014 at 3:37 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 3:46 am
RE: Moral standards - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 3:58 am
RE: Moral standards - by ignoramus - August 1, 2014 at 4:35 am
RE: Moral standards - by Bad Wolf - August 1, 2014 at 5:47 am
RE: Moral standards - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 1, 2014 at 5:07 am
RE: Moral standards - by Zack - August 1, 2014 at 5:33 am
RE: Moral standards - by Dystopia - August 1, 2014 at 7:54 am
RE: Moral standards - by Ben Davis - August 1, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: Moral standards - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2014 at 9:12 am
RE: Moral standards - by downbeatplumb - August 1, 2014 at 9:23 am
RE: Moral standards - by Brian37 - August 1, 2014 at 9:29 am
RE: Moral standards - by RobbyPants - August 1, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Moral standards - by Ryantology - August 1, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: Moral standards - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2014 at 3:09 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 1, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Moral standards - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 2, 2014 at 6:05 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 4, 2014 at 5:21 am
RE: Moral standards - by Ravenshire - August 5, 2014 at 8:04 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Ravenshire - August 2, 2014 at 6:38 am
RE: Moral standards - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 2, 2014 at 6:42 am
RE: Moral standards - by Simon Moon - August 2, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Moral standards - by Dystopia - August 2, 2014 at 9:40 am
RE: Moral standards - by archangle - August 2, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: Moral standards - by Mister Agenda - August 2, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Mudhammam - August 4, 2014 at 5:05 am
RE: Moral standards - by Losty - August 5, 2014 at 2:41 am
RE: Moral standards - by Brian37 - August 5, 2014 at 9:39 am
RE: Moral standards - by Jenny A - August 5, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: Moral standards - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: Moral standards - by Mudhammam - August 5, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Moral standards - by Thumpalumpacus - August 5, 2014 at 9:00 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Rabb Allah - August 8, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Simon Moon - August 8, 2014 at 6:36 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 8, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: Moral standards - by askmewhy - August 8, 2014 at 7:30 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Conscience and the Moral Argument as Evidence for the Goodness of God. Nishant Xavier 162 16070 July 9, 2023 at 7:53 am
Last Post: Deesse23
  Moral universalism and theism Interaktive 20 2806 May 6, 2022 at 7:23 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Religion stifles Moral Evolution Cecelia 107 20117 December 4, 2017 at 2:37 pm
Last Post: Astreja
  Does religion expose the shortcomings of empathy based moral systems henryp 19 3194 December 2, 2017 at 7:54 pm
Last Post: henryp
  Creationist Moral Panic Amarok 15 6091 June 13, 2017 at 10:42 am
Last Post: Mister Agenda
  The Moral Argument for God athrock 211 45160 December 24, 2015 at 4:53 am
Last Post: robvalue
  General question about the possibility of objective moral truth Michael Wald 63 15102 September 15, 2015 at 10:28 am
Last Post: TheRocketSurgeon
  Moral Compass Lakul 40 9943 April 6, 2015 at 8:28 am
Last Post: Spooky
Brick Atheist moral code Void 45 17576 March 24, 2015 at 8:14 pm
Last Post: I Am Not A Human Being
  Atheists only vote please: Do absolute MORAL truths exist? Is Rape ALWAYS "wrong"? Tsun Tsu 326 84041 February 25, 2015 at 3:41 pm
Last Post: robvalue



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)