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Moral standards
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RE: Moral standards
(August 4, 2014 at 5:28 am)GodsRevolt Wrote: So, you agree that morals are not be relative. But then where did they come from?

My post #46 on the previous page is one possible view on why morality is not relative.

Here it is again:

Morality is all about the well being and thriving of others.

We all live in the same physical universe and are subject to the same physical laws. From this, we can extrapolate that what I need and want for my well being and ability to thrive, is extremely similar to what the vast majority of humanity needs and wants also.

Life is preferable to death, health is preferable to disease, freedom is preferable to slavery, comfort is preferable to discomfort, etc.

We can use rationality and critical thinking to evaluate every situation that requires a moral decision to come up with the best possible choice or choices to maximize the above criteria. We may get it wrong, the choice may be ambiguous, there may be more than one choice, the outcome may not be what is expected, but this method is still much better than your god's 'divine command' method or 'might makes right'.

I don't even have to bring up the evolutionary basis for our morality to explain why secular morality is superior to theistic morality.

To add, if you want to find out why morality is not relative, ask the people that are that receiving, negative end of someone's relative morality. The victims of female circumcision, for example.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 2:24 am
RE: Moral standards - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 2:36 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 2:46 am
RE: Moral standards - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 2:53 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 3:31 am
RE: Moral standards - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 3:38 am
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 1, 2014 at 3:42 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 3:58 am
RE: Moral standards - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 4:23 am
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 1, 2014 at 4:27 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 1, 2014 at 4:50 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Bad Wolf - August 1, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 4, 2014 at 5:08 am
RE: Moral standards - by Mudhammam - August 4, 2014 at 5:14 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 1, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 4, 2014 at 5:01 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 4, 2014 at 5:28 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 4, 2014 at 6:29 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 4, 2014 at 7:55 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 5, 2014 at 2:03 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 5, 2014 at 5:54 am
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 4, 2014 at 8:43 am
RE: Moral standards - by Cato - August 5, 2014 at 8:52 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 1, 2014 at 3:07 pm
RE: Moral standards - by downbeatplumb - August 2, 2014 at 9:40 am
RE: Moral standards - by Zen Badger - August 1, 2014 at 5:05 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 1, 2014 at 3:05 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 3:29 am
RE: Moral standards - by Esquilax - August 1, 2014 at 3:50 am
RE: Moral standards - by popeyespappy - August 2, 2014 at 7:03 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 4, 2014 at 5:28 am
RE: Moral standards - by Cato - August 4, 2014 at 5:52 am
RE: Moral standards - by Mudhammam - August 4, 2014 at 6:00 am
RE: Moral standards - by Simon Moon - August 5, 2014 at 11:22 am
RE: Moral standards - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2014 at 2:37 am
RE: Moral standards - by Zen Badger - August 1, 2014 at 2:52 am
RE: Moral standards - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 1, 2014 at 3:29 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 3:36 am
RE: Moral standards - by Violet - August 1, 2014 at 3:43 am
RE: Moral standards - by Violet - August 1, 2014 at 3:34 am
RE: Moral standards - by ignoramus - August 1, 2014 at 3:37 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 1, 2014 at 3:46 am
RE: Moral standards - by Baqal - August 1, 2014 at 3:58 am
RE: Moral standards - by ignoramus - August 1, 2014 at 4:35 am
RE: Moral standards - by Bad Wolf - August 1, 2014 at 5:47 am
RE: Moral standards - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 1, 2014 at 5:07 am
RE: Moral standards - by Zack - August 1, 2014 at 5:33 am
RE: Moral standards - by Dystopia - August 1, 2014 at 7:54 am
RE: Moral standards - by Ben Davis - August 1, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: Moral standards - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2014 at 9:12 am
RE: Moral standards - by downbeatplumb - August 1, 2014 at 9:23 am
RE: Moral standards - by Brian37 - August 1, 2014 at 9:29 am
RE: Moral standards - by RobbyPants - August 1, 2014 at 10:10 am
RE: Moral standards - by Ryantology - August 1, 2014 at 2:27 pm
RE: Moral standards - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2014 at 3:09 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 1, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: Moral standards - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 2, 2014 at 6:05 am
RE: Moral standards - by GodsRevolt - August 4, 2014 at 5:21 am
RE: Moral standards - by Ravenshire - August 5, 2014 at 8:04 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Ravenshire - August 2, 2014 at 6:38 am
RE: Moral standards - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 2, 2014 at 6:42 am
RE: Moral standards - by Simon Moon - August 2, 2014 at 9:37 am
RE: Moral standards - by Dystopia - August 2, 2014 at 9:40 am
RE: Moral standards - by archangle - August 2, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: Moral standards - by Mister Agenda - August 2, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Mudhammam - August 4, 2014 at 5:05 am
RE: Moral standards - by Losty - August 5, 2014 at 2:41 am
RE: Moral standards - by Brian37 - August 5, 2014 at 9:39 am
RE: Moral standards - by Jenny A - August 5, 2014 at 10:43 am
RE: Moral standards - by The Grand Nudger - August 5, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: Moral standards - by Mudhammam - August 5, 2014 at 11:42 am
RE: Moral standards - by Thumpalumpacus - August 5, 2014 at 9:00 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Rabb Allah - August 8, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Simon Moon - August 8, 2014 at 6:36 pm
RE: Moral standards - by Whateverist - August 8, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: Moral standards - by askmewhy - August 8, 2014 at 7:30 pm

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