(August 9, 2014 at 6:42 pm)whateverist Wrote: You made it quite clear that it was the true meaning you were after and not the half-baked but dimwitted attempts of academics.
The academics are often quite good but their knowledge is limited to physical science.
If they or you are happy with that knowledge that is ok. with me.
After all i am not the one who wish to live in a cage.
(see the canary syndrome).
https://atheistforums.org/thread-18616-page-2.html
