Abortion dialogue I've been having...

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Seems the debate is over then, both sides having made their final remarks.

You're proposing a new debate then? I'll assume so

http://usualrhetoric.blogspot.com/2010/0...lking.html
http://aristophrenium.com/ryft/more-fail...-rhetoric/

Personally, having followed the discussion, I'm now anti choice and no longer pro choice. From conception it seems clear that there is life of it's own. Deserving of consideration as such.

Bacterium also have a life of their own... but why should we care (excluding special circumstances, such as the development of antibiotics)? Some bacteria damages us... as all birthing damages us. When we apply antibiotics and the like to bacterium... we don't even ponder things such as "But they live too! Don't they have a right to live?"... we kill them so that the one affected by them will either stop being damaged by the bacterium or so that they don't begin to damage the individual.

When it comes to human babies... all of them will damage the individual bodily throughout the birthing process... and will continue to damage the economy (time, money, attention, etc) of the individual for years after the birthing process is over. Some people ponder "But they live too! Don't they have a right to live?"... but I am not one of these people. A child is a long term investment (and may never turn out positively) that a person faced with one should not take lightly. For their own sake, and the sake of the future child... I would strongly recommend not having any children until one is quite financially secure, with a fairly large surplus, and living in a fairly sanitary and safe environment.

There are then very difficult decisions following on from anti choice. None of which were really covered here. Rape; child pregnancy; risk of death etc to either mother or child.

If the mother actively desires to take the risks, under the full knowledge that she or her planned child could well die (and will most certainly suffer much damage)... I say bloody well let her take that risk. Rape doesn't change the fact of pregnancy (it changes only the origin). And although it is unsafe for a 'child' to be pregnant... they can evidently survive the process (at least on one occasion) by age 5 1/2 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina (well how interesting, i certainly didn't expect to find anything below 8 )

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No. Equally. Lives begin and end.

Or does neither in fact ever occur?

/end religious joke argument ^_^

I don't pretend there aren't problems. I just see it's taking a life. Lawful or not, the fact remains.

The fact can remain all it wants... I am going to see it made universal to all life before I'm going to give a damn about it... and then I will give a damn only to argue that a thing's status as 'life' warrants nothing.

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I actually went from anti-choice to pro-choice on this one. I think the better solution would be a societal approach of lessening the factors that would force women in to having to have or desire an abortion. Increasing parenting classes, less stigmatism and better conditions for orphans and adoptions, lowering sexual crime rates, inreasing awareness, etc. I don't think a normal woman under normal circumstances with a normal child and a means to care for the child would intentionally choose to give up that child, so my switch to pro choice actually falls on the character of humanity and relies less on the definition of life.

Quite true I'm going to bold it because I like it ^_<