Abortion dialogue I've been having...

[tavarish]

You continually confuse morality with law tav. Your moral choice can never be removed. If the law says it's legal to keep animals in cruel conditions I still can make a moral decision as to whether that's right or not.

FUCKING EXACTLY.

Although your analogy misses the mark a bit, that's what pro-choice is about - giving the person every choice available to them, including the choice of whether to terminate the pregnancy. Your morality remains intact, and you don't have to do anything if you don't want to. Easy, huh?

If the law forbids you from being an atheist you still have a moral stance which cannot be denied.

And?

You continually appeal to emotion. "Ban abortion" ...really?

Emotion? Read what he fucking wrote.

"Consider a far more effective method: ban all abortions except for those related to rape, incest, the health of the mother or that of her unborn;"

Yes, ban abortions is what he said.

As is every other person in history.

Your personal opinion. Irrelevant.

People don't have varying moral values? Do we, as a society have the same morals as one founded 3 thousand years ago?

You're widening the field to confuse the issue. From a specifically Christian viewpoint:
1. no
2. no
3. God is taking the moral choice
4. no

You said "the religious", not some subset of an interpretation of a doctrine of a denomination you particularly belong to.

Words mean things.

Actually I think I've been pretty clear. Taking away choice doesn't solve problems, and a certain morality is only necessarily good to the people that agree with it. Within a salad bowl society like ours, we don't sanction an absolute morality (whatever that is) within our laws, we promote freedom and try to act decently to others for the most part - based off a guiding tenet called the golden rule, which in itself, can be broken from time to time.

Bullshit and waffle.

"A certain morality" would be your movable secular morality again.

Yes, I'm certainly pushing my personal morality on others by wanting to present all the choices a woman has, rather than prohibiting ones I don't like. What a Nazi I am. Shit, I might as well be mandating abortions.

My position isn't a moral one. It's not hard to understand. Morals are largely irrelevant in the legality of this issue and its prevention.

Your position is amoral. Without balls.

Morality = balls. So is a ballsy action a moral one? Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? Proofread for context, then hit "reply".

"I know this is wrong but I don't know what you think or your history dictates your actions to be so anything goes".

Actually, it's more like "I consider this unfavorable based on my experience, but as I'm not in a situation for it to directly affect me in any tangible or practical way, I'm in no position to prohibit others from doing it based on my particular ideology, no matter how strongly I may feel about it."

We can make this moral observation and you don't have to be too scared to face it. Be reasonable and don't assume anyone is trying to force feed you dogma like you try to feed it to them.

Here's a distinction.

1. Banning abortion based on religious doctrine is force-feeding dogma.
2. Making propagandizing shock videos that appeal to emotion, based on religious doctrine is force-feeding dogma.
3. Telling someone that their morals are inferior and their arguments are "without balls" because they don't agree with you, then advocating that everyone must conform to your standards is force-feeding dogma.
4. Providing choices in a matter that is multifaceted and allowing people to come to their own conclusions is not force feeding dogma.
5. Approaching the abortion issue with the realistic and demonstrably true notion that education trumps prohibition is not force feeding dogma.