RE: Faith and Works
September 2, 2014 at 4:30 pm
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2014 at 4:40 pm by Drich.)
(September 2, 2014 at 11:54 am)Chad32 Wrote: Hell is not the NT equivalent of the OT death penalty. Nowhere in the OT does it say you get tortured after you're killed.
Big enough to cause multiple wars, among other things.
What immediate effects of sin would that be, anyway?
No where in the NT does it say that Hell is meant to be eternal touture for us either. Hell repersents the death of the soul.
The wage or result of sin is Death.
(September 2, 2014 at 2:22 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: The way I read this, is that "works-based" religions allow for a person to be "saved," while yours offers no possibility.Through your own efforts yes!
Salvation is a gift, not something that can be earned.
Quote:I say it's impossible because you're proposing that in order to obtain belief (unless God predetermines salvation), an unbeliever must believe, a contradiction between the subject and the predicate.Nuupe. I am saying something simliar to what Christ himself said. In that we all excercize faith in whatever we believe. 'That it takes the smallest amount of faith to move mountains of doubt.'
Quote:As I suggested in my OP, I don't think I choose to believe or disbelief any given proposition. I'm coerced by the sensibility of its internal reasoning and the external evidence that weighs for/against itActually you like most religious or not default to a general comfirmation bias and seek to plug in anything that supports what you already believe and ignore the rest.
Which is very ironic given this is what Christians are accused of doing all the time.. Just FYI this is a human condition and not limited to Christianity.[/quote]
