RE: The Problem of Evil, Christians, and Inconsistency
September 8, 2014 at 8:11 am
(This post was last modified: September 8, 2014 at 9:31 am by Mudhammam.)
(September 7, 2014 at 3:23 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: So that I can understand your argument, how are you defining omnibenevolence?Wholly good, "good" as a term that is not simply honorific and arbitrary, but also has some meaningful relationship to human conceptions of goodness, which typically (at least according to Kant as I get the impression) involves the notions of happiness and virtue.
Quote:The hidden assumption in the above quandary is that having the power to do something necessitates doing it.That's not a hidden assumption at all; it's part and parcel with the conception of the highest (or whole and complete) goodness, that if you have it within your power to relieve a person's suffering (which in this instance you're at the very least indirectly responsible for causing), and choose not to, for no apparently good (that is, rational, or internally consistent) reason, your quality of character is less than the highest conceivable good.
The free will defense was already shown to be unsatisfactory in the OP, so I don't really get the point of your restatement of it.
Quote:You've asserted that evil may both serve a greater purpose and are necessary of for God's grand aims. It is true that I may hold out on faith that evil is not needless, in that it may serve a purpose. I don't know that I agree that evil is necessary. Just because something is 'not needless' does that necessitate that it is necessary?If it is not necessary, and it wouldn't be for an omnipotent deity who has no obligation to causal relations, then you're talking about gratuitous, capricious evil, evil that is neither required nor demanded by God to achieve whatever purpose he might will and yet allowed to continue on anyhow.
Quote:If God chooses to create, freely by His will, does that necessitate that He would create the best-of-all-possible-worlds?Yet you would have us 1) find compatiblity between and 2) infer the best-of-all-possible-gods, or the something of which nothing greater can be conceived, with and from a world that resembles nothing of the sort?
Secondly, let me think aloud a bit.
An eternal world is a better world than a non-eternal world.
The world we live in is not an eternal world.
Therefore the world we live in is not the best-of-all-possible-worlds.
Theologically speaking and to the best of my knowledge I'm not sure the Bible teaches that the created world is the best-of-all-possible-worlds. It says the world was created 'good'. Does good mean best?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza